From My Perspective
From my perspective is the latest sports podcast from Mixed Vibez Media. Deion and Mr. Bell gives you the honest and raw sports takes from the everyday fan. We say what everyone is thinking in a entertaining form. We will have guest and other members of the Mixed Vibez team. Also reporters who are associated with the teams you love. Welcome to the Team.
From My Perspective
Eagles' Strategic Super Bowl Win, Hurts' Aerial Feats, and Mahomes vs. MJ Debate
The Super Bowl saw the Philadelphia Eagles make a statement with a strong victory over the Kansas City Chiefs, fueled by Jalen Hurts' extraordinary performance that earned him the MVP title. The Chiefs struggled against the Eagles' aggressive defense, raising questions about Patrick Mahomes' future in the GOAT debate, while Kendrick Lamar's halftime show garnered mixed reviews, showcasing an eventful day overall.
• Eagles dominate Chiefs with strong team performance
• Jalen Hurts shines as MVP with precision and poise
• Patrick Mahomes faces pressure, raises questions on GOAT status
• Kendrick Lamar's halftime show met with mixed reactions
• Future looks bright for the Eagles, uncertainty looms for the Chiefs
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Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of From Our Perspective, where we give these hot takes from our perspective. I'm your boy Deion, always joined by the man, the myth, the legend Q how you doing.
Speaker 2:Hey man, what do it is? You already know the bastard. It's your boy, mr Bell aka. I can't say your name. Mr Bell aka, I can't say your name.
Speaker 1:After like multiple weeks in a row, we are appearing with basically breaking news from the NBA trade deadline all-star announcements. They finally decided to not give us anything but luck for us. I guess there was a game this weekend. When we was talking about it last week it was like damn, there's a game this weekend. No, when we was talking about it last week it was like damn, there's a game this weekend. And then when the game happened, it was basically the same. I guess it was a game on TV. The Philadelphia Eagles just absolutely put BTA to the Kansas City Chiefs. It wasn't even enjoyable Halftime show. There was another BTA to the Kansas City Chiefs. It wasn't even enjoyable Halftime show. There was another BTA happening.
Speaker 2:Do you want to talk about that? Because you know I don't rock with that.
Speaker 1:You don't rock with it. You know I don't. It was damn damn more intense, so go ahead. Let me get your thoughts before we get to the actual game.
Speaker 2:All right, man, I'm going to share a little bit because I got to say before the mix-up adds pie. You know what I'm saying. But what I will say is Kendrick gave a lot of different like meanings and subliminal notes and he had a bunch of different messages in his performance and I respect that he tried to do that, but at the end of the day, the only message that you got across was that you was going to drink. I mean, let's be real, the only message that he got across that he was going to drink. You had to wait and get on line and everybody broke it down. But why did those messages not get across? It wasn't that entertaining.
Speaker 1:I take. I thought it was entertaining. I'm a Kendrick fan.
Speaker 2:The ending was entertaining. How he set up Not Like Us and how he had Samuel Jackson out there was entertaining. The build up was entertaining and then him saying Drake's name on national.
Speaker 1:He looked at the camera in his soul.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, that was entertaining, but the actual like before that.
Speaker 1:All right, don't give him too much. Don't give him too much. If you want to hear more of that, y'all know where to go. Y'all know where to go. I got more.
Speaker 1:I got more. But back to the actual game, man, I will say the Chiefs did a great job of containing Saquon Barkley. He didn't go off. He didn't have no big runs, which was a little surprising. I figured Saquon would at least break off a 120, 30-yard run on him. They wasn't having it. Spaz wasn't having it. What they said was Jalen Hurts, you got to beat us.
Speaker 1:Now we know Jalen Hurts. He is a capable passer. He's not the best passer in the world, he's not the guy that's going to light you up for 300 week after week, but he's capable of getting you a 300-yard game or 250-yard game. He's capable of making some throws. We saw it in the last Super Bowl when he outplayed Patrick Mahomes, and we saw it in this Super Bowl where he didn't have to do too much. His defense did a lot, but the little that he had to do, it was called upon to do, he did it and he did it well and he got the Super Bowl MVP. Personally, when they do the fan voting, I voted for Josh Swett. I just wanted to give it to somebody on that D-line, because they didn't blitz not one time, not once. They got like a 48% pressure rate, which was crazy to me. Obviously, quarterback gets a little bit of a bump because he's a quarterback understandable, but they won because of that D-line.
Speaker 2:True, but I just want to say I said when we did last week I was like man Saquon might get one, but they're going to hold Saquon to check. I felt like we knew that going in because of the simple fact when you look at that roster offensively, when you look at that roster, only one of them was in the MVP conversation. Only one person on that was in the run to break a record that we both thought they should have let him get. So if you're the defensive coordinator, what you gonna do? You gonna stop the dude who could have won MVP, the one who could have broke the record. That's the one you're going to stop. And you look at Jalen like I seen you do it in college, I'm going to make you do it in the NFL, even though you've seen him do it in the NFL, like you said we've seen it sparingly we're going to make you do it again, and he did it again.
Speaker 2:And then the defense we haven't seen it. Yeah, we're going to make you do it again. He did it again, yeah, yeah, but we. And then the defense the fact that they didn't blitz one time and they only sacked him six times, right, so you seem like it felt like more. That's the point where you say only saying only six is crazy. It's a wild statement. But they only sacked him six times compared to what it felt like. It felt like he got sacked 32 times.
Speaker 1:It was in his face the whole game.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if they ran 32 plays, but it felt like he got sacked 32 times. But they didn't make it past midfield one time in the first half. You knew the game was over.
Speaker 1:There was two points in this game where I would say for the most part, not as much at halftime, but for the most part I was like, alright, eagles, you can't bury him six. You gotta bury this man about ten feet Because he's capable of coming back. I kept seeing that, obviously, as the game started going on. I was like all right, they might get it. But there was two points where I was like damn, the Eagles really got this. It was the drive where they got a sack. A sack. They made Pat roll out and he threw that pick six. I was like, oh dang.
Speaker 1:And then when I really knew, oh, this is not their night is when DeAndre Hopkins dropped that wide-open pass that probably could have been a touchdown. When DeHop dropping passes which at one point in time I mean he's a little bit older you don't lose the hands, you lose other stuff. Your hands usually stay intact. There was a time where he didn't drop a pass through like two or three seasons in a row. When he dropped that wide open pass, I was like, oh, it's not Chiefs night, I don't think they got it.
Speaker 2:Oh, you knew, I knew because I posted it. I said it's Philly's night because they got Pat doing things that Pat don't do. Pat do a pick six. That's something Pat don't do. That's something Pat used to do in college when he was at Texas Tech. I heard him flinging the thing Even in his first couple years, but now Pat don't do that.
Speaker 1:He usually throws a pick, but he don't throw a pick like that. He come in and pick six.
Speaker 2:That's not what Pat do and he'll throw one, pat do two.
Speaker 1:That second pick was egregious. It was a great catch by Zach Bond, I believe, but that was an egregious aspect, backed up egregious aspect.
Speaker 2:Pat ain't. That's the other thing. He'll turn it over, but he ain't going to turn it over on his side of the field. Yeah, he turn it over on his side of the field, man. They have Pat doing things that Pat don't do. Like you said, dehop dropping the ball and then Kelsey, the blocking was very the blocking was bad.
Speaker 1:It's been bad. It wasn't a good year for Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 2:The blocking was bad. Like I ain't going to stunt People acting. Like he played bad. Like don't get me wrong. Like he dropped the passes too, but one of the passes he dropped it was in his ankles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not really his fault. So the receiving issue with Kelsey I don't agree with as far as everybody saying he played bad. Even him saying he played bad, I personally don't agree, but he would know better than me. I just don't agree with it. But the blocking, yeah, yeah, it was kind of rough man, it was kind of rough.
Speaker 1:It was egregious but, as I said, dominating the performance by the Eagles. A lot of their players is going to be there. They're still in tech. Jalen Hurst is obviously going to be there, aj Brown, devontae Smith that O-line looks like every one of them is coming back plus Saquon Barkley is obviously locked in. But the defense they got some people that could leave. I think Josh Schwed is one of them. Again, I would have had him as the Super Bowl MVP. He's one of them that contracts up. He's probably going to get him a nice little payday Probably not with the Eagles or someone else, but for the most part, they got the Jalen Carter, they got Jordan Davis, they got Nolan Smith.
Speaker 2:They got the Georgia Bulldogs coming back pretty much. I Smith's a predator too. Oh, Noah Smith, Okay.
Speaker 1:It's him and Smith.
Speaker 2:They could bring back one of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they'll probably bring back. I think Noah Smith would be a little bit cheaper for him.
Speaker 2:No, I think it's the other way around. You think Josh Swett, I think Josh Swett is going to be, he's going to be the cheap one. I think he already took a little dip and and pay to go to be in Philly. He already did it once. He probably going to want to stay there.
Speaker 1:All right, but I repeat this this is something else I heard we're talking about, Something I heard from. Actually. I heard there was a, I want to say, watching Nightcap, pretty much watching Nightcap. I think I can't remember if it was recording or I think Shannon just read the quote, but pretty much. Joshua, it's kind of odd that you said it this soon after the Super Bowl. But he said I felt like I should have won the Super Bowl MVP. How do you feel about a player after winning the Super Bowl basically saying that on his card, basically he's out the door Basically? I mean, he basically said Jalen Hurst didn't deserve it, I should have got it. Do you read too?
Speaker 2:much into that. Yeah, because honestly, let's be real, you just said Joseph, you voted for. Yeah, he know, let's be real. People pick Kansas City because of one person.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:He was one of the main reasons not the only reason, but one of the main reasons that that one person didn't get off.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:So of course he should be like what you want him to be like. I mean, you know, Jalen played good, but we played good, but Jalen played better. What you want him to say, I just want him to go. I just want him to go. I got a little lick in me. Hey man, I should've. I know what. For real, Y'all scared of that man over here. Y'all keep calling Pat Jordan. He's still Jordan. That's not Andrew Kirkland. You gotta keep calling that man Jordan. Man, I stopped that man. Y'all should've gave me the MVP man.
Speaker 1:What you want that soon to be, you just won. I feel like it should have been like a couple years down the line. I was like y'all know, I should have got that Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:MVP. But then we're going to say he bringing up old stuff, you know, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1:You're right, but again the Eagles look like they're pretty much intact, so they're going to be probably everybody who's going to be gunning for them next season. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Nfc is not as deep as the AFC Speaking of the AFC, even though the Kansas City Chiefs had a good season, record-wise, they went 15-2. That last loss really don't count. They was playing AFC, it don't count. They lost to the Bills. A lot of their games were super, super close. A lot of them was like they was doing black magic to get some of those wins. What do you think the Chiefs need to do next season? To you know, try to get back to their Super Bowl winning ways, because apparently they'll probably make it to the AFC Championship game at least, because that's what they do.
Speaker 2:But what they?
Speaker 1:need to do to get over that. I don't want to say get over that hump, because they've been over that hump a bunch of times, but to get back to getting the ring on their finger.
Speaker 2:The Arrowhead invitation of the AFC Championship. They're going to get there. They're going to get there More than likely. I mean the best thing they can do. Let's be real. We're going to point out the obvious. It's the offensive line they talk about. Everybody talks about the wide receivers and, yes, the wide receivers could improve. They need some improvement. Yeah, they need some improvement. But let's be real. Patrick Mahomes can make me and you look good. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe you I don't know about me, I don't even need me hurting going up the steps, bro, I don't know but he can make people look good. Give him an offensive line, which they've tried. It ain't worked. But they need an offensive line, and that's the thing. But they need to open the line, they need to, and that's the thing. It's not even their whole offensive line, because they sent us, they sent us great, they got a good left guard that had to move to the left tackle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you move him back to guard. So your inside is, your inside is cool, it's going to be your tackles. If you get, if they can get a great left tackle yeah, it's a great left tackle and a good right tackle, then everything goes away.
Speaker 1:Let me throw out a name for you, because I agree 100%. And the good thing is they've been there before that Tampa Bay Bucks Super Bowl when they played Tampa. It was the same script. They kept getting pressure. So I was like, oh, we just got to do what we did after that Super Bowl and get it back. But let me throw a name out there for you and, by the way, dehop might be retiring, so that's why they need some receivers. But let me throw a name out there Trent Williams. You know he's a little bit long in the tooth, been a little injured here for the 49ers, but apparently he may be willing to go over there to Kansas City. I'm not sure. This is again something I've heard on Nightcap. Shannon Sharp brought it up and I was like when I heard it I was like, ooh, they can get him and keep him healthy.
Speaker 2:They might be all right, yeah that's the thing you ended it with. If they could keep him healthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Trent Williams is a great football player. I don't know. Even if you get him, that's what like a one-year, two-year, two-year fix. He's up in age, I don't know. I get it Like, if you're trying, don't know, I get it Like if you're trying to win, which I get, you're trying to win now because you got Patrick Mahomes and you don't know how long Kelsey's going to play and if he hopped on with Tom, he's on the two. But I don't know, man, maybe, I guess, maybe. I guess it's the best way for me to say it maybe Trent Williams is 36,.
Speaker 1:By the way, he will actually be 37 in July.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're looking at a year, maybe two and, like you said, he stay hurt all the time. So, like I said, that's a stopgap situation. So you know, you get a message that's a stopgap and then you still got to address the right tackle situation. And I'm not, like I said, I'm not what everybody else. That points to wide receivers If you can get because they again they try to address that as well If you get some solid dudes, they don't got to be great. Everybody keep pitching like they need a star wide receiver. They don't need a star wide receiver, they don't need a star wide receiver, they just need some dudes that can catch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's basically it. I mean they already got their speed. Well, they already got their speed threats in Worthy, hollywood, and we cannot forget the man was having a great season before Patrick Mahomes injured him. But Rasheed Rice, he was nice, he was having him against his new ACL. It was going to take him some time. He didn't come back and be Rasheed Rice, yeah, but he was killing it before Patrick Williams took him out. You ain't got to say it like that. He was.
Speaker 2:That's what happened.
Speaker 1:Did you watch it?
Speaker 2:I'm just saying you ain't got to say it like that. That's all I'm saying. You ain't got to say it like that. But I mean, you know it had to happen. You ain't got to say it like that yeah, no, I don't think right tackle is the biggest issue. Left, I don't think right receivers is the biggest issue. Left tackle, right tackle. They defense, they got a young defense and they're going to continue to improve. But you can always continue to bolster that up.
Speaker 1:As long as they got Steve Spaggs, I ain't worried about the defense he going to figure it out.
Speaker 2:Just give him some dudes, he'll make it work. And then Andy Reid, give him some right receivers, he'll make it work. And then Andy Reid, give him some wide receivers, he'll make it work. All you got to do is get left tackle, right tackle, that's it. That's it, that's it. It ain't that hard. We're saying that. But if Kelsey actually does retire, they actually going to need Mahomes to have a bond with somebody else, because what makes Mahomes so special is that those late plays that you know you need a first. You know who he's going to because he has that bond and that relationship with Kelsey. They know where each other's going to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if Kelsey does retire, you're going to have to get him a safety valve. But I don't think Kelsey. I personally don't think Kelsey's going to retire.
Speaker 1:He's going to come back for one more year After that loss. He should feel like he must.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's going to come back, but that's the thing. How much do you want to play Kelsey?
Speaker 1:If he does come back, he's going to have to take a pay cut. Because he's going to have to take a pay cut because he got a nasty cap hit coming up.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's going to take a pay cut and let's be real, man, he ain't going to play as many snaps next year as he did this year because you kind of got to save him, for I'm here. We know what we're going to do. If you only play 15, 20 snaps in the first couple games, man, I don't even worry about it. Let's ramp it up, let's build to it.
Speaker 1:Hell, we know where to take the first three weeks off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get him there. We know what we're doing, we know why we're here. Like, take the first three weeks off.
Speaker 1:All right, so again Patrick Holmes. This wasn't like the Tampa Bay game. He looked great under pressure, throwing laid-out passes, point blanks to receivers. That couldn't do too much. This one, he just looked awful. Did Patrick Holmes' GOAT debate take a hit for you after this performance?
Speaker 2:Because, it was terrible, you'd think it would. But no, I can't let one game change my, my entire mind because again, people only picked kansas city because of that one man. We knew, philly, was the better team all the way around, the only up. The only positive that kansas city had over Philly was the quarterback position. Every other position Philly had, wherever he was running back offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, corners Kansas City defensive line got Chris Jones on it. He ain't no scrub. We still going with Philly man. Philly got dudes on dudes on top of dudes. Yeah, no. But as far as the GOAT debate, nah, I'm not going to let one game define me.
Speaker 1:I agree. I know a lot of people are like oh, that's over, goat debate's over. With a caveat, this is a little bit of a projecting, because Patrick Mahomes is still 29. I got what Tom Braystats was at 29. Patrick Mahomes blows him out the water. This is projecting. Now I don't know, I don't think Patrick Mahomes will get seven. That's ridiculous. But right now he's at three. He's at three, he's at three. I think he at least gets two more before he hangs it up. At least gets two more before he hangs it up.
Speaker 1:So let's go ahead and get right into the start, because it's where we're at. But before we give the three names, I just do want to point out the stats of a 29-year-old, patrick Mahomes and a 29-year-old, tom Brady. Both had three Super Bowls. Mahomes had 245 touchdown passes, brady had 147. Mahomes had 74 picks. Brady had 78 picks. Mahomes had 18 playoff wins. Brady had 12 playoff wins. Mahomes had two MVPs, brady had zero and I don't find wins quarterback stat, but they gave it to me. Mahomes record at 29 is 89-23. Brady's record is 70-24. So Mahomes blows him out the window. So, projecting. I still think Patrick Mahomes is still the GOAT if his career doesn't end today, which I don't think it will, but a couple weeks ago we had a stark bench cut. We was going to do it. Then the NBA wanted to hit us with a bunch of stuff at once. Appreciate you.
Speaker 2:The NBA said hold my bird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, appreciate you, but stark bench cut edition, goat edition, was Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1:Initially it was kind of tough, and the only reason why it was tough for me is I hold Peyton Manning to a high regard and you should One of my favorite quarterbacks to watch, considering where we live at, I got a lot of Peyton Manning games, so I've watched a lot of Peyton Manning. But you got to call a spade a spade. Peyton Manning is known as a great regular season quarterback and he's been iffy in the playoffs so unfortunately you gotta cut Peyton Manning. It hurt me. I'm gonna start. I still think Patrick Mahomes is the soon-to-be-goat projecting, but I'm gonna start Tom Brady and cut Patrick Mahomes only because I don't want to see Tom Brady, because I know if I bench him I'm going to see him somewhere down the line.
Speaker 2:So you're going to start Brady bench Pat and cut Brady, yep, okay, okay, that's the thing. So here's the thing. Like you said, I love you some, peyton, and I think Peyton is very entertaining off the field as well, I think it's. I think it depends on the situation for me, but I'm just going to go overall. I'm going to do the same. I'm going to cut Peyton, even though it's like real close, because Peyton, he looked like an NFL quarterback. For me, he's like the daughter of death. When I think of a quarterback, he is what I think he is.
Speaker 1:Of that era.
Speaker 2:Now it's a completely different era. You got to be able to move a little bit. Yeah, peyton went moving, he went moving. So yeah, nah, I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to cut Peyton, bench Pat and start Brady, and that's just off the record. Yeah, that's going off the record. Now, if I'm just going off of who I want to be my quarterback, I'm going to start.
Speaker 1:Pat 100%. I agree, 100%. I'm going to start, pat. I'm for real. I mean, I guess it wasn't hard. The next one.
Speaker 2:You're not going to be playing like that, Dion. It was hard.
Speaker 1:It was hard. It was hard, but we came to the same conclusion. I'm kind of surprised we came to the same conclusion. The next one, we'll probably do it next week. I'll post it Monday. I was mad at you when you sent it to me. I'm just going to say it. I'm just teasing it that I was mad at you.
Speaker 2:Why am I just mad about this?
Speaker 1:I was mad at you when you said, no, you didn't just send me this. I said it a couple weeks ago. You just mad telling me. You was mad at me. I was like no, you didn't just send me this and having me have to pick between these three guys, man. Just a little teaser it is three quarterbacks. There's another quarterback one. You guys will see it. I'll probably post it Monday. Need a couple days to marinate. But yeah, when you sent it to me I looked at it. I was like no, you didn't Just got me having to pick between these three guys, man. But before we exit the quarterback goat debate a lot of people consider now, obviously, I didn't watch a single snap of this man.
Speaker 1:I've seen some highlights, seen some stories. People talk super highly of Joe Montana. They say he was the Brady before Brady. Four Super Bowl wins, four Super Bowl wins, three Super Bowl MVPs, two regular season MVPs I just saw a gaudy amount of stats. They also won a national championship, if that matters to you, with Notre Dame in the Super Bowl. Never threw a pick in the Super Bowl, which I feel like that's something to talk about. But Joe Montana, where does Joe Montana in your eyes? I know you probably don't remember watching him much at all. I know you use it like with Kansas City, probably at the time you started watching because he was with Kansas City pretty late.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't even remember watching him in the top of my head. It's hard for me because I didn't see him. But I'm going off stats.
Speaker 1:You look at his stats, they're not that great. That's the thing, and I was like back in that time they really wasn't throwing the rock like they did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, but you got to, you know. Look at his stats, but put it in that context of the offense that they run now, the offensive numbers that we see now, and the offense that they run now is not the offense that we see now, but for his time he was doing his damn thing when it comes to numbers. Here's the thing, though he had Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1:People can say him the greatest football player to ever do it.
Speaker 2:He had Jerry Rice. That's kind of a cheat code, you know, don't get me wrong. I know brady had gronk. I know pat had travis. I know, I know, I know, but as great as gronk and Kelsey are, they are not J-Rock, j-rock. And them two dudes is going to the. Them two dudes is going to walk in the Hall of Fame First ballot. You think I don't know they be kind of petty, the NFL first, oh no, that's why I just said Hall of Fame y'all. I don't I ain't be trying to take shots at the NFL team people like that, but they do be kind of petty with them folks.
Speaker 1:They hold first ballot to a high regard. They just say anybody can win.
Speaker 2:Like TO, bro. To wasn't a first ballot. They made Terrell Owens wait. That's crazy, bro, if you're going to make TO wait. I don't know who's the first to go to the Hall of Fame, so I'm not going to say that. But Kelsey and Gronk are both going to be in the Hall of Fame. But there's Hall of Fame and there's the Hall of All Times, and that's where Jerry Rice is. So having the greatest brother of all time is kind of like a cheat code. That does bring him down a little bit to me, so I would still cut him Just for that reason.
Speaker 2:That'd be my beef in the NBA conversations when we talk about Kareem and Magic. When they played together they had each other. But I give Kareem the nod because he did win one without Magic, but he won that with Oscar Robinson, which was a great two. So I don't know, but when you got Jerry Rice, yeah, it's tough it's crazy.
Speaker 1:And look at Joe Montana's stats nothing all popping, but for that time I'm sure it was 273 touchdowns, 139 picks. He's due for 40,551 yards. He did rush for 20 rushing TDs, so you can add that on there he had a 63.2 percentage, so pretty good. But let's put that in comparison. We're going to go ahead and I compare it to Tom Brady, tom Brady. Tom Brady has 89, 214 passing yards, 649 TDs, 212 picks, 64.3% passing.
Speaker 2:So, Tom. Brady, it's not fair though. You know, like I said, numbers. We have to compare him to the numbers of people of that era. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I also got Patrick Mahomes. So pretty much if you look at Patrick Mahomes and you look at Joe Montana, patrick Mahomes basically got Joe Montana's career stats nailed. He has a 66.6 passing percentage, 245 touchdowns, 74 picks, 32,352 passing yards. So basically that's crazy to think about.
Speaker 2:They didn't throw the ball to you. Like Terry Burchard got four rings and he probably threw the ball 15 times a game. Like no I'm being for real, bro Like no shade. And it wasn't like they were some deep passes, they was throwing five inches, five-yard hitches.
Speaker 1:Some hits, some hitches. Every now and then they'll throw a nine ball when they feel like the quarterback is weak.
Speaker 2:That's not what they was doing.
Speaker 1:So I guess we both agree we'll cut Joe Montana, but four Super Bowls and no picks. That is a crazy thing.
Speaker 2:That's incredible.
Speaker 1:Also, since we're talking about cutting quarterbacks, the New York Jets is actually cutting one in real life. They're actually cutting one of the probably the most talented quarterbacks to lace them up Aaron Rodgers, that bad man himself. So what is your reaction to the Jets cutting Aaron Rodgers? After you give me your reaction, I'm going to tell you the stipulations that they gave him if he wanted to come back, and then also tell me where he should go. Tell me where it should go and tell me why it should be the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2:First I want to react to the fact that you said he was the most talented quarterback ever. Like we ain't just talking about Patrick, one of the most talented.
Speaker 1:but yes, Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm saying Pat does everything Aaron Rodgers do, like a little bit better. So I'm just saying we just talked about that being Okay first off. I mean we knew it was coming. He played horrible Okay, horrible strong.
Speaker 1:Horrible for his standards.
Speaker 2:Horrible for his standards. He played decent, like he's 47 years old. Stop writing LeBron Gaff, people thinking they're going to play Val. Stop, y'all not them. You know what I'm saying. Y'all not them. Who do? I think he should go Jeopardy. I think that's what he should do. I think that he should do the Jeopardy thing, do the Pat McAfee thing. I think that's what he should do. I think that he should do the Jeopardy thing. Go do the Pat McAfee thing. Like you know, that's his. I think that's what he should do now, because I hate to see the people we've seen as all-time or let's not say all-time, but great players. I hate to see them go out. You know bad. I don't want him to go out any worse than looking any worse than what he did now. So for that I say you know, go to.
Speaker 2:Jeffrey.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with you. I actually agree with you 100%. But just for the sake of wanting to see it, I don't want to see him go to Minnesota. He's not. I highly doubt that they'll get him. But just the irony in it would just be hilarious to me. And then I can go ahead and add to my agenda that Jordan Love will be a Minnesota Viking in about 15 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1:I don't see that happening. So watching Nightcap. Shannon Sharp put me up on game. Diana Rossini, I think, reported. She reported there was a couple stipulations that the Jets told Aaron Rodgers, if you want to come back, you got to do. Got any guesses what any of them are?
Speaker 2:Take a pay cut and be prepared to come off the bench.
Speaker 1:No, no, it wasn't that, it was one of them was no More Pat McAfee.
Speaker 2:I can see I did just say something about Pat McAfee. I can see why they said that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they said no more Pat McAfee. And the second one. It might have been more, but the two that I remember was no more Pat McAfee and anything that's mandatory you there. No retreat, no Oscar Waska, no political stuff, anything doing with mandatory training camp you are there. So I don't know which stipulation that the Jets gave them to have Aaron Rodgers like nah, I'm good, hey.
Speaker 2:So the training camp thing, I agree with it. I don't feel like that should be reasonable.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's unreasonable. I think that feel like that should be reasonable.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's unreasonable. I think that's realistically okay. Cool. You're going to come to training camp, especially when you go into a new team and then the way that y'all looked last year, you should want to be at training camp to help improve the team. At least from my perspective, I think you should want to be at training camp to help improve the team. So, At least from my perspective, I think you should want to be at training camp to help improve the team so y'all don't look like the way y'all did the previous year. The Pat McAfee thing I feel like I get it. It's also at the same time, it's kind of like you knew what you were signing up for when you got him. So why are you attempting to that cat's out the him? Why are you attempting to that cat's out the bag? Why are you trying to put that stuff back?
Speaker 1:He's a regular. He's a part of the show.
Speaker 2:He has an everyday. I mean not everyday On this day. You know he's going to be there Tuesday. You know what day he's going to be there. It's kind of like I always joke because I listen to Tony Fornhouse's podcast On Mondays that Monday that first guest block is Michael Wilbon, or Monday, unless Michael Wilbon's on vacation or something, or they don't record. That's the only time he ain't there. If Michael Wilbon's on vacation, he can't record, let me tell you if he can get there on the Wednesday, he'll be there. But let me tell you if he can get there on the Wednesday, he'll be there. I mean, that's what's going to happen. The same thing with Aaron. You know the days he's going to be on the Pat McAfee show.
Speaker 2:You knew that when you signed up for him. So what you going to put? That one that's on? Y'all, y'all should have said that when you first gathered you should have known it was going to be. That's one of the things you could see. That was going to be a problem down. You should have you seen it was going to be a problem down the line at some point. Why you going to do it now? Hell, I don't understand why. The first thing should have been. Hey, bro, you're going to take a break. The pay that we gave you don't equal the play that you gave us. I don't understand why that wasn't the first.
Speaker 1:It might have been, but those are the main two that I know that Shannon Sharp talked about at Dynamite which, hey, the second one, training camp. That is reasonable, 100% reasonable. You're a starting quarterback showing up to training camp.
Speaker 2:I would hope that would happen On a new team After we go on to talk about last year on a new team.
Speaker 1:You got a new coach.
Speaker 2:There's going to be new stuff this year exactly, you got to be there.
Speaker 1:This year we got a new coach cheat it obviously the New York Jets will probably be in the quarterback market this offseason and during the draft they get the 7 pick, I believe. So they got some work to do. Last I saw last mock draft. I did see I saw them drafting Jackson Dart from Ole Miss, which to me is a reach. But we will talk about the draft when we get there.
Speaker 2:That is a reach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the last I saw. He's a first round. Okay, we'll wait. Yeah, we'll talk about the draft when we get there.
Speaker 2:That is a reach. Yeah, that's the last I saw he's up first.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll wait. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Oh yeah, because obviously the draft will be coming up in April, so we got plenty of time to talk about who we want our teams to draft. Trust me, we'll get there. We'll get there, but let's go ahead and move on to the NBA. Back to the NBA. Y'all gave us a lot last couple weeks. Y'all didn't give us nothing this week, but it is All-Star break, so y'all got a little bit of break. All-star weekend is this weekend. What's your excitement level? Q.
Speaker 2:A six. It's an All-Star weekend, bro. I don't really. I don't never get up. I don't never get two up for All-Star weekend. And the thing that bothers me now is they take a whole, they stop playing games on that Thursday. They don't come back until the following Thursday. Everybody get a week off, and some teams get a week and a half off. I don't really, so now I ain't got no, you know me now.
Speaker 2:I ain't got no NBA food. Quit this man. All right, man, it was helpful, bro. That's where my attitude is at. It's like all right bro, yeah, I get it. Bro, yeah, I got you, bro?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, I ain't sure I'm a 3-4. I'm not. I'm interested in seeing how this new format will play out. I'm not interested in the three-point or the dunk contest. Honestly, I couldn't tell you who's in either one of them. So I know Matt, I know, know Matt McChung whatever his name is McClung, the defending dunk contest champion. He's in it. But man, I don't know. That dunk contest ain't been. It's been garbage Outside of 2016,. That ain't been garbage.
Speaker 2:You want me to be honest, though. Can I say this? Sure, I feel like I'm pretty sure other people have said it, but I think it's time we share this on this podcast. The reason the dunk contest has fell off is LeBron James' fault.
Speaker 1:Don't disagree with you. I've heard people say it. But people have said it. I'm just going to say this. I'm assuming it's the same reason LeBron James made it uncool. People have said it. I'm just going to say this I'm assuming it's the same reason. Lebron James made it uncool for superstars to be in the dunk contest by him not doing it?
Speaker 2:Dr J did it, dominique did it, clyde did it, michael did it, kobe did it, vince Carter did it. I think hell I think didn't T-Main do it one year? He did it one year too. You made it uncool. Like you said, you made it uncool, you a superstar, you going down as one of the greatest NBA players of all time. The only great NBA players that didn't do it was point guards, centers and power forwards. Everybody else did it yep. Everybody else did it Yep, everybody else did it. Why didn't you do it Once? You didn't do it now? The rest of them don't want to do it.
Speaker 2:Zion ain't been in the dunk contest. Why the hell is Zion not in the dunk contest? The least your ass can do because your ass don't play half the damn time is be in the damn dunk contest. That's the least your ass can do. John Morant same thing. Your ass. Want to point guns. Why don't you point at the basketball rim and dunk it in the dunk contest? But LeBron started that. This is LeBron's fault and as great as LeBron is and all the great work that that man has done, and I don't want to take away from none of that. But as far as the dunk contest, that, yeah, that's the prime start and it's never and it's going to take a star to be like okay, man, I'm going in, yeah and man, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1:You should be in one of these dunk contests too, boy, but he ain't going to do it. Since we're here, why do you think he didn't do it? Do you think he was in? He was not win it he won't be embarrassed.
Speaker 2:That's all it boils down to. But you, lebron, they gonna give it to you.
Speaker 1:If you do the simplest between the legs.
Speaker 2:Your seven. Dunk is gonna get you a 10 because you're LeBron as a word. Somebody else gonna come in and do it their seven. Their seven's gonna be an eight, or it's going to be a seven, but you're LeBron, so your seven is going to be a ten. You're going to win versus whoever you're going against, but he ain't do it Now. So I'm just going to keep it real. Kd. Kd didn't do it, but KD said and put time, I can see him not doing it. You understand why KB don't do it. Giannis is a power forward. You understand why Giannis don't do it. Joker Luka these dudes ain't dunkers. Shea Shea really ain't a half flyer. Neither Even Jalen Brown did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably the last star that I remember doing.
Speaker 2:That's the last I done it in. How long Damn.
Speaker 1:That is the last star.
Speaker 2:Hell, dwight Howard got out there and did a dunk contest. That was before Jalen Brown. I mean Jalen Brown, after that it was Dwight Howard. Because don't get me wrong Aaron Gordon and Zach Levine. They put on shows, but we don't look at them as stars.
Speaker 1:Not the superstar level, like the rest, Zach Levine I heard doing dunk contests.
Speaker 2:We look at him as a star. He had her put on the show.
Speaker 1:Hot Tech. He became a star because of dunk contests. Because of dunk contests, him and Aaron Gordon. Hot Tech. That Dwight Howard dunk where he just threw it in the rim. That wasn't a dunk from my perspective.
Speaker 2:I mean, but it ain't nothing. We all do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't a dunk, but yeah, three-point contest I don't. It usually is somewhat exciting getting all those in it. I'm pretty sure Steph's not doing it this year, so Nah, steph ain't.
Speaker 2:I know Dame's in it. I can't think of a name Sabrina. They was going to, but they canceled it Because of Kayla Clark. Yeah, but can you blame Kayla Clark?
Speaker 1:No, Her reasoning was 100% valid. I'm going to put the light on the WNBA All-Star game. They scrapped it and I ain't mad at it. If the WNBA is smart, they pick up the phone and call Steph and they call Clay. It's like hey, y'all want to come to ours? I don't know when they are, so I'm pretty sure sometime in the summer. It's probably a little tough sometimes, maybe, to get Steph and Klay out the bed in the summertime, but they hoop us.
Speaker 2:They said, hey, bro. They said Jermon was like do you know, Klay, Klay, in the summer it ain't the NBA season he on that boat, he ain't talking to us, he's not talking to us. So yeah, I mean it might be a little hard to get Klay, but hey, you can ask. If you can't get Klay, I'm sure you can get him, I'm sure you can get Steph to call K. Katie will be like bro, I slide.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the WMA Smart. That's what they would do, that's what I would do. But even though I say, even though, whoever wins the three-point contest, it's like, alright, congratulations, you're still not the best shooter in the NBA. We know who that is and that's not changing anytime soon. So again, we're at the all-star break, anything.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you who's in at 3. Because I looked it up Jalen Bruston, Cade Cunningham, Darius Garland, Tyler Hero, Buddy Hill, Cam Johnson which I'm surprised he didn't get traded Damian Lillard and Norman Powell, who should have been an all-star.
Speaker 1:That's some decent names. Some somewhat stars go ahead. I know you got the Damian's a star. Damian's a star, tom Hickles is somewhat of a star.
Speaker 2:Jameis is a star so yeah, it's two stars what's the dunk contest?
Speaker 1:let's see what these owls are.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, martiz Mataz, I don't know who else, I don't know. Stephon Castle, I know Andre Jackson Jr Play for the Bucks. I know him. Andre Jackson Jr Played for the Bucs, I know him, I do know him. And then Matt McClung, g League.
Speaker 1:They probably back us. Hey, you won last year. I know you're the G League. Come on, bro, we need you, we need you.
Speaker 2:But this is the thing though. Here's my bro. I'm like yo, somebody put him on the roster and he could be y'all 12th man. Y'all can sit him down to the G League, but keep letting him come back and forth because y'all ain't playing y'all 12th man anyway. If I'm the NBA, I'm calling somebody and be like, just put him.
Speaker 1:It sounds a little bad when you got to go get a G League guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah it doesn't, it don't. It don't help, it don't help bring back the. It don't help bring back the muster.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So obviously we had the all-star break. Not much to really talk about. We talked about it a little bit. One big thing we need to talk about is the Lakers they ain't got a center, mark Williams.
Speaker 1:Apparently he didn't pass his physical so he's back with the Charlotte Hornets. Dalton Kinnett's back with the Los Angeles Lakers and it showed in that last game against Utah they got abused in the paint by Utah and Utah's not good, just spade, spade. So that's a note of the Warriors. They got a little run going on with Jimmy Butler. What's going on Philadelphia 76ers? The process looks like it's over. So where do you want to start, man? I mean we have the all-star break.
Speaker 2:So the Lakers situation Dalton Connect told JJ Redick, hey, I don't want to come back yet. I need to take a couple of days before I come back to the team saying you know, I got traded, it didn't get rescinded, so I'm back on the team. And then you know Charlotte out here like man. The Lakers did that on purpose, they he's, we did physicals on him, he's perfectly fine. The Lakers just wanted to fail the trade for whatever reason. They wanted to back up after the trade and they said Mark Williams might do a buyout with Charlotte because he don't, he no longer wants to be there because he got traded.
Speaker 1:So he might end up on the Lakers anyway oh no if I'm the Lakers, hell no if I'm the Hornets hell.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not going to give you a buyout just because, because I know you might end up hurt. And they just said Alex Lynn, they weighed Christian Wood to get Alex Lynn, so they do have like a center. Now I don't know how much he's going to play, but you know what I'm saying. I don't know how much he's going to play. Oh, the Lakers situation. Man, the Lakers is still fourth in the West and it's surprising the mess out of me, because who really thought that the Lakers was going to be fourth in the West? That?
Speaker 1:consistency. I think that'd be for sure a playing team.
Speaker 2:They're fourth in the West, but then again they're only two, three games away from being a playing team, because the West is like that. So if Luka don't play and LeBron don't play a bunch of games, then they could end up in that playing game. Speaking of which, that was a Saturday night primetime game. The ESPN switched their stuff around so they could have the NBA on the primetime and they smoothed the college games around.
Speaker 1:Cool, just for Just to let my link. Luke was playing.
Speaker 2:Just for Luke or not to play. And not only did Luke or not play, LeBron did play.
Speaker 1:That's y'all, probably NBA.
Speaker 2:They said they was going to do something about these dudes resting these primetime games. They really need to do something about dudes resting these primetime games. Lebron, you could arrest that next Monday when you was playing Utah. You know what I'm saying. It's a Saturday night primetime game.
Speaker 1:We need you to play this game. It wasn't even Saturday night. It was Saturday evening. The Lakers is never on in the evening. They always on at 1030.
Speaker 2:No, I think it was the night, because they played the bases. It was the night game. I could have sworn. It was like at 2. No, I think it was the. Was it the 2 game? It might have been the afternoon game because it was a Saturday night game. Thank you, it was full. I'm chirping. It was full.
Speaker 1:But the Lakers was never on that. They always on that 10-30.
Speaker 2:It was because they played the bases and then we still lost. We lost to the Lakers without LeBron and Luka and we let up. I was already saying what's the white boy's name? Austin Reese. Austin Reese put a 40 on us. Yeah, he put a 40. This, yeah, austin Reeves 40. He's so funny, man, when you let Austin Reeves put up 40. Austin Reeves put in a 30 coup, you let him put up 40?. All right, bro, what we doing. But nah, I like the situation. I mean, it's still the surprise of Saturday and 4th. I want to talk about Philly.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I want to talk about Philly.
Speaker 2:Can we talk about Philly?
Speaker 1:for a minute. Process might be over, so.
Speaker 2:Paul George looked cooked and you know it hurts me to say that because I love Paul George because of the time he played in Indiana but that man looked done like a well-done steak didn't turn into a leather boot. You hear me, that man looks done Like you can't even stick a fork in him, as how done he is. I don't know what happened. I can't explain it. I know he missed some games, but he's played enough that he should be in some type of game. Shape Right.
Speaker 1:He should be.
Speaker 2:I don't want to dwell and be hey at this point. Y'all might be going to try to avoid that contract, even though I know you can't. You might want to try to figure out some way to get off that money, because what you mean, he's got that, I think, knee issue and they're trying to figure.
Speaker 1:The Sixers are trying to figure out what they can do. They want to avoid surgery at all costs.
Speaker 2:Man we had an all-star break and I don't know what. They got like 20-some wins. Where is it at? Where is it at? Let me find it? They got 20. They got 20 wins. We're an all-star break and they got 20 wins. We're an all-star broken. They got 20 wins. Forget, like you know how, what they can do to make a late push. At this point, you might as well go and shut Joel down. Back to the tank season, huh? You shut Joel down and then you let Paul George play in the shape a little bit, but then you shut him down too, because you don't want him to get hurt. And then you go into nature like, okay, this is it. If y'all don't make a crack, get sure, hey, paul George, we're going to have to get rid of you, joel, we're going to get rid of you too, and we're going to build around Maxie.
Speaker 1:That's probably what they got to do, man. It don't make looking good Philly right now they sitting out of the playing in the East. When you out of the playing in the East, you're a bad team 20-34. They've lost five in a row. They're a game and a half back from the Chicago Bulls, who were supposed to be terrible for the last playing spot. They're still terrible.
Speaker 2:they're still terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're still terrible. You're right, they're still terrible.
Speaker 2:They're still terrible. Oh whoa, now, they're still terrible. They're just a little bit better than Philly, who is worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, like it's just odd, because the Hawks and the Bulls are well coming into the season, you felt like the Sixers would at least get, at worst, a fifth seed. Yeah, fifth seed, yeah, yeah, yeah, they at 11 right now. Sitting in the first place. They sitting 24 games back in the first place. They have the same record as the Brooklyn Nets, who just called out Ben Simmons.
Speaker 2:You know what was crazy. Somebody actually wanted him, you actually wanted him. Somebody actually wanted Ben Simmons. Cleveland actually wanted Ben Simmons. I'm like who wanted him?
Speaker 1:I guess he can defend somebody. I don't know he can't shoot to save his life. It's sad. So yeah, it's rough for Sanford Sixers, I know. I just know Philly fans, at least y'all got the Eagles. At least y'all got the Eagles, because the Sixers ain't going to do it for y'all.
Speaker 2:The Sixers ain't going to do it for y'all the. Sixers ain't going to do it for y'all. Whatsoever, dog, not whatsoever. They cooked.
Speaker 1:They done that championship window looks like it is closed. Hopefully there are more that can open it back up. You know he can't.
Speaker 2:You know damn well he can't.
Speaker 1:I mean you got to do something. Maybe you try to get rid of Joel, get rid of Paul, build around Tyrese and try to open that window. Open a little bit, but you probably not. Derrick Moore might not be the GM for the 76ers much longer.
Speaker 2:Honestly, you got to wait. You got to at least give him a shirt, because they arguing is going to be what's happening, true? So you got to at least give him that shirt. Why, I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1:So while we at the GM talk glad we're there Nico the GM for the Dallas Mavericks. Apparently he's getting death threats. Come on, guys, it ain't that deep.
Speaker 2:It ain't that deep.
Speaker 1:It ain't that deep. I understand he's getting death threats. One thing I will say that Mavericks fan, all he mouth was Fire Nico. Y'all didn't have to escort him out the stadium or the arena. He just said Fire Nico, he ain't cuss, he just said Fire Nico. He expressed his feelings in a non-disrespectful way. Y'all didn't have to escort that man out that arena. Man, I'm just saying. But with this trade, obviously they traded Luka to the Lakers and got Anthony Davis for it. I've said it's short in their championship window, but they still have a championship window with Anthony Davis. Kyrie, a little older, better defensive team. Anthony Davis went up and got hurt. After he's done so well the past couple seasons, he got hurt. My question to you Q is how long does Nico have before he gets the can for making this trade? If it goes left, how long he gets the can for making this trade? If it goes left, how long he gets.
Speaker 2:Here's my thing, though right, you don't trade Luka unless the owner says, yeah, trade Luka.
Speaker 1:Which apparently seems like that kind of will happen.
Speaker 2:I don't think it can be a cabinet in that situation. You don't trade a young, phenomenal player like Luka. Unless the owner has said something to you about man, I don't know if I want to pay this dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by the way, Mark Cuban is not the majority owner, he's a minority owner. They have a different minority owner. Just FYI for those out there. That wasn't sure I know there was a lot of people blaming Mark Cuban. He had nothing to do with it. Mark Cuban himself said he would rather divorce his wife than trade Luca and apparently when he found out about it it was like 30 minutes before it was official. He tried to get it stopped, so I just wanted to point that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think the last I heard Mark was supposed to be still in charge of basketball decisions, but I guess he's not no more Because they're what? Clearly not. I remember when they first had that sale, the owner I don't know his name, the owner still let Mark be in charge of basketball decisions. So that clearly is not happening no more. But Nico doesn't do that unless the owner tells him to do it or if he goes to the owner and presents it and the owner says, yeah, go ahead. So y'all getting mad at the GM, you also need to be mad at the owner too, because y'all owner well, governor, sorry, that's what they call him the governor of that team decided hey, I don't want to pay him, okay, that's fine. So how can Nico be on the short stick if the governor is the one who made the decision? Good point, good point. That ain't fair to Nico. Now, is it going to be fair or not? Because life ain't fair and Nico's black. You know I hate to bring racism and stuff, but sometimes racism.
Speaker 1:Realistically that ain't fair to Niko. Now, is it going to be fair or not?
Speaker 2:Cause life ain't fair and Niko's black. Yeah, Uh, you know I hate to bring racism and stuff, but sometimes racism realistically, Niko, he don't get the cane, he don't get two years.
Speaker 1:And obviously the governor. If he, if the team goes bad, the fans, the fans is already out. The owner could save face by firing him against somebody else in there and putting a new, fresh coat of paint on the team by doing that to bring some fan bases back. You think so? He could still do that. Obviously he's part of it, but he can throw Nico right in front of that bus. If he wants to. He's already in front of it. He can just go ahead and kick him down and make sure he stays there.
Speaker 2:But it ain't Nico's fault. It ain't Nico's fault. The owner had to clear it out, man. But it's like you traded for Anthony Davis, knowing he was already hurt. I don't even understand why they played him. They should have let him sit a little bit longer. He was still recovering.
Speaker 1:I think why they played was like oh, we made this big trade. These fans mad at me. We got to get him out there as soon as possible. I think it was that type of situation which I felt went left for him right now. So we'll see. I mean looking at the standings, let me just add it up. I mean looking at the standings, let me just add it up the Mavericks they're in the play-in right now.
Speaker 2:They're eight, so the way.
Speaker 1:the rest is you have a good weekend you could end up fourth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Anthony Davis is going to be out for a month and then Kyle Reed got a back situation, so they might end up in the play-in. They might end up in a play-in situation or, honestly, they could fall out if Anthony Davis is really out for a month.
Speaker 1:They could fall out because there are only two and a half games in front of the 11th seed Phoenix Suns and you know the Phoenix Suns going to make a push, Do we know?
Speaker 2:that Hold on, let's stop real quick. We got to talk about the Hold on. Let's stop real quick. We gotta talk about the students. Let's stop real quick. Do we know that? Because I was listening to some people? It's a conversation we're going to have at a later date, but is Kevin Durant overrated?
Speaker 1:Hell. No, he might be coming down a little bit, but he ain't overrated. You know who he is? That's Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2:I guess we're going to have a conversation the other week.
Speaker 1:I will say one thing he probably felt blindsided about the trade. To him being traded, yeah he felt a way about it. He probably felt a way about it. If he could go back, he'd probably be like give me a partner, Send me to Miami or something.
Speaker 2:Hear me out. I don't know if I feel this way, but the conversation has been presented and I can understand the argument. I ain't really thought 100% into it, but let me present the argument. Yes, he did just score his 30,000 points and people gives him the shade because he won those two rings in Golden State. I am not one of those people. I think a ring is a ring. But yes, it did make it impossible. When you put Kevin Durant onto that team, it's only so much you can do. And for LeBron to still get his team in competitive LeBron to get his team into competitive games versus that team, it shows how great LeBron is. I know I shouldn't on LeBron a little bit, just by it, but it did show how great LeBron is. So back to KD. Okay, when he left Philly I mean not when he left Philly, when he left Golden State and he went to Brooklyn yeah, like the first year and a half he was hurt, but when he was healthy and on the court, what did they do? Come?
Speaker 1:on What'd they do when he was healthy, talking about Brooklyn, yeah, brooklyn they did okay, cool, but they didn't make a conference finals.
Speaker 2:No, I think they didn't make it.
Speaker 1:No, they didn't make a conference finals. No, they didn't. He was a tool away. He was a tool away for a conference finals.
Speaker 2:They didn't make a conference finals. They didn't make a finals Cool. Now he's on Phoenix. Look at Phoenix record right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll give you Phoenix. In Brooklyn everybody said that team could have made it to the finals if it wasn't for Kyrie being hurt and James Harden being half of a James Harden, he almost again. He was a total way by himself. Hold on.
Speaker 2:He was a total way from making it to a conference finals not a by himself, but he still had to make it to the finals. You look at Kevin Durant when he's the solo star of a team those teams does not only one of them teams to the finals. Kevin Durant, when he's the solo star of a team, those teams does not Only one of them. Teams made the finals. He only been to the finals one time without Steph.
Speaker 1:He was young and got destroyed by the Heatles.
Speaker 2:Durant. He affects for as great as he is, he affects winning. He plays defense. Because he uses that seven-foot frame and that length, you would think his teams would be better. That's what the argument was. I don't know if I necessarily agree with it, but I do understand the argument. I also understand the argument that Kevin Durant is probably the best pure scorer that the NBA has ever seen.
Speaker 1:I agree with that 100%.
Speaker 2:I don't know, deion, I don't know. We got to think about it, we got to really think about it. Okay. Is he a top-tier player? All the time, shit, that's tough, okay, cool, I mean. Is he better than Michael no. Is he better than LeBron? No. Is he better than Michael no. Is he better than LeBron no. Is he better than Kobe no. Is he better than Steph no. Is he better than Shaq? Nope. Is he better than Tim Ducker? Nah. Is he better than Larry Bird?
Speaker 1:No no, larry did it. As the face I can't. I don't think no, larry did it is he better than Magic? Definitely not better than Magic is he better than?
Speaker 2:Kareem no, I can't say that, can't say that is he better than Will, and we ain't even watching him, but we know what the numbers is.
Speaker 1:Better than Will no, what the numbers say, I can't say.
Speaker 2:He's better, okay, cool that's TO right there, and those was the easy ones because you debated Larry. I don, I'm going to say I can't say he's better, okay, cool. Yeah, that's 10 right there. And those was the easy ones because you debated Lurie.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you debated Lurie. I thought about it for a second and it hit me. It's like no, lurie did it as the face of the Celtics. No, he was the head guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's 10.
Speaker 1:That's 10 right there. Out of that 10, the only one that's a real conversation is Wilt. But that is numbers you can't.
Speaker 2:I was going to say you can't even that's not even a conversation because Wilt only do the score 100 points, like that's not even a conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because his numbers Outside of that. No, I mean you can, yeah, you can't, yeah, I was thinking about. Only other person I thought about for a half a second was Steph. The other person I thought about for a half a second was Steph. I was like, no, steph is way better than KD.
Speaker 2:He got them two rings with Steph, and then Steph got two more on top of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I said, he's definitely not top 10. You know, to me those 10 are the without question they better than KD. Without question, to me, those 10 are better than KD. But then we ain't got to the ones. That's like up in the air, like the dream, hakeem.
Speaker 1:Hakeem, that's up in the air, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you could debate them too, and you know, depending on which way it falls.
Speaker 1:So that's why KD was on the 75 team. He was on that. Do you remember what number he was? I don't think they ranked him.
Speaker 2:They just put him, rank him they didn't rank him, they just put him.
Speaker 1:All I care about is the team, because actually it was 76.
Speaker 2:It was actually 76 of them, it wasn't 75 of them, because it was a tie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a tie. So when Clay was over there doing that 76 stuff he was technically 77, huh, damn.
Speaker 2:Clay. Yeah, but I don't even think he was 77 because honestly I think the way he should have been 77.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know Clay was pretty hot about it. I just know my boy, wade, was one of them. That's what mattered to me, oh, for sure that's what mattered to me. But damn Clay, at least he's one of the top, at least KD's one of the top 75, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's top he's. I would say he's the top 20. But I know he ain't yeah he ain't top 10. I know he ain't top 10.
Speaker 1:Well, all right, so again out of here. That needs to be talked about.
Speaker 2:I didn't say Bill Russell, by the way, damn, I just left that what I thought of, but I left it. I didn't say Bill, he got 11 of them things. You're not putting him up for KD. I mean, you're not putting KD up for him.
Speaker 1:I always think, man, that man Bill Russell got one on his toe, he got one on his ring, he got one on his toe.
Speaker 2:Wow, wow, that's wow.
Speaker 1:So you know what else? Oh yeah, q's, he's still beating me.
Speaker 2:I mean, did you want to talk about it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was looking to see what else was going on in the NBA world. I mean, I'm looking at not much else.
Speaker 2:We could. I thought you just wanted to end the pod before we talked about it but we can address the fact that you know everybody. We ranked our team, we picked our team, we picked a total win draft. Deion's team is sitting right now. The last time we set it up we did it, it was 343. Now Deion has 385. Well, last time we did it I had 381. Now I have 423. Deion, do you want to talk about what's hurting you? Because we talked about it pre-fight. It's one team that's really hurting you.
Speaker 1:I was wrong about the New Orleans Pelicans. I figured, you know, zion would be somewhat healthy Because they've had some good seasons. They finished, you know they finished like top four seed Zion will get hurt for the playoffs and don't play in the playoffs. That's what I was assuming was going to happen. They didn't know Brandon Engel would decline $40 million less to get out of there. They didn't think that would happen.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think they wanted to pay him. I don't think he declined. I don't think they ain't going to pay him.
Speaker 1:It seemed awful what it seemed like. He had a $160 million offer and chose to take $120 million for Toronto. Didn't see that happening. So yeah, new Orleans. I don't think he got beat for what y'all did. It's okay though.
Speaker 2:It's okay. Yeah, I mean, that's really what's hurting you Tell them about what's helping you.
Speaker 1:Somehow. Don't know how you did it, but you picked the two best teams in the NBA.
Speaker 2:I did so happen to pick Oklahoma City and Cleveland the team that I forget about all the time but I was drafted. Now, that's the thing. Cleveland didn't get drafted to the seventh round.
Speaker 1:Who would have thought they went on like what 25-game win streak to start the season Like.
Speaker 2:So what's hurting you is the Pelicans, Also three of you. You got four teams under the 20-win mark, as of where I only have one. You got the Wizards, I mean, you got Brooklyn, Washington, Toronto and the Pelicans, as of where all I got is Utah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought the Pelicans would be better. Toronto, I thought they would be better. I didn't want to draft the Wizards. I think they was one of the last picks. Yeah, you actually took Toronto last.
Speaker 2:I took Toronto last. Yeah, washington was right before that and I got Chicago. Your last pick got 17. My Chicago got 22. Your last pick got 17. My Chicago got 22. And Detroit gave me 29. That's the other thing. Detroit being good this year also helped me out as well. But yeah, yeah, appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 1:All right, I mean there's still time left. People say the all-star break is the halfway point of the season. It might be the halfway point in the season, but in terms of the regular season we're like what? Two-thirds to the regular season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're two-thirds. Cleveland will play 50 games. They only play 82.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we're two-thirds into the season. Oh man, speaking of games played, we actually forgot a little something that we can probably move to next week.
Speaker 1:Huh yeah we can move to next week, we'll move to next week, I'll move to next week. So that'll do it for another episode of From my Perspective. Q's tearing me up in this total win game. Pelicans, pick it up, please, please do so, pick it up. But guys, please, like, please, subscribe. This is coming out on Valentine's Day, so I hope you have a good Valentine's Day, whether you're single or in a relationship. If you're single, treat yourself. If you're in a relationship, treat your partner.
Speaker 1:My little rant of the day before we get out here Valentine's Day is for both people. I'm just saying man and woman, and don't give me that Swedish bull crap, because if you say something about Swedish, I'm going to ask you what day is Swedish Day? And you're going to be like, uh, I don't know exactly. We will celebrate Sweetest Day when Kroger's or Walmart or Dollar General or any of these big time stores dedicate a whole section of their store for that day. You don't even know when Sweetest Day is. So Valentine's Day is for both people. Just wanted to get that off my chest again. Like, subscribe, leave a comment, buy some merch. A little too late to buy your main chick something for Valentine's Day because it's tomorrow, but you can probably get your side piece something you know the day after you know they like stuff too. If you got one of those. I mean, I don't, but if you got one of those do that Anything else Q that you want to rant on I?
Speaker 2:was just going to say, like you said, this is dropping on Valentine's Day. But also, while y'all are here, check out, hold up another thing. We did a Valentine's Day special there, talking about the importance. A Valentine's Day special there, talking about the importance of Valentine's Day. We also shared some Valentine's Day stories. And then on the Mixed Vast podcast, we did a Valentine's Day special. We did a R Kelly draft. We picked R Kelly songs from best song to best album, and y'all go over and listen, tell me who y'all think won. Yeah, shot and get. Y'all go over and listen, tell me who y'all think won.
Speaker 1:So yeah, y'all heard their first again once more. If you hadn't did it the first time or the second time, please like, please subscribe, please leave a comment. Enjoy your Valentine's Day. Enjoy the rest of your week. We'll see y'all next time.
Speaker 2:Take us home, q man, you're off to the basketball boy, mr Bell. Aka say your name up on the spot. See y'all next time. Take us home. Q man, you're off to the best of your boy, mr Bell, aka Say your name upon the spot. Might not be with you tomorrow.