From My Perspective
From my perspective is the latest sports podcast from Mixed Vibez Media. Deion and Mr. Bell gives you the honest and raw sports takes from the everyday fan. We say what everyone is thinking in a entertaining form. We will have guest and other members of the Mixed Vibez team. Also reporters who are associated with the teams you love. Welcome to the Team.
From My Perspective
When Is Greatness Great Enough For Immortality
We weigh what greatness really means as we test names against the Hall of Fame standard, from kickers with rings to wideouts with triple crowns and QBs with rings but no MVPs. The conversation ends with a listener challenge about Chad Johnson’s case and modern locks.
• what the Hall’s mission statement implies for voters
• Adam Vinatieri’s résumé and kicker bias
• Adrian Peterson’s first ballot odds and off-field hurdles
• Ezekiel Elliott vs Sean Alexander and the MVP tiebreaker
• Chad Johnson, Steve Smith Sr, Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, Hines Ward ranked
• Michael Vick’s cultural impact vs production
• Stafford vs Rivers and the value of a ring
• Marshawn Lynch and Eddie George comparisons
• Anquan Boldin and DeAndre Hopkins against a Chad benchmark
• Frank Gore’s longevity vs dominance debate
• Current trajectories for Mahomes, Kelsey, Henry, Lamar, Kittle, McCaffrey
Please like, please subscribe, leave a comment in the comment section of who you think should be in the Hall of Fame if we didn’t mention them, or how you feel about some of the players we talked about, and if you disagree or would agree with our perspective
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Welcome, welcome, welcome back to another episode of From My Perspective. I'm your boy Dion coming to you as we have a very special Christmas episode for you guys today. Just a little bit different, but let me introduce everybody. I'm joined by the man, the myth, the legend himself, Captain Hader Q. How are you doing today, Q?
SPEAKER_01:What to do, what DSR and the Basic Boy, Mr. Bell, aka aka say your name up on the spot. Might not put you to mile.
SPEAKER_00:What's going on, D? It's going good. It's going good. But I am also, we're also joined by DQ Quag. I wouldn't even call him a uh a guest. He knows where everything is. Like he knows where the bathroom is, he knows where the liquor is at, and he knows not to put his feet on the counter. So we know, but DQ, how you doing?
SPEAKER_01:Oh man.
SPEAKER_00:So we got this very special episode. We decided that we was going to go through a list of some of our favorite players and give our suggestion on if they should or should not be in the NFL Hall of Fame. And we just we threw in a bunch of people. We're doing some players that we were surprised that weren't in there already. But let's go ahead and get right to it. Q, I'm gonna let you give us the first player that you want us to tell you how they how we feel about them.
SPEAKER_01:I know me and you talked about it, but I won't hear quag style. Um Adam Veneter is the first name that comes to mind, the kicker for the New England Patriots. He also kicker for the NAPS coach. He is a semifinalist for this year, but I want to know do y'all think he's should in a Hall of Fame?
SPEAKER_00:Adam Venatur, I uh absolutely like I was uh I was doing a little research before. Kicker, it's hard to get in as a kicker. You have to be the elite of the elite. It's already hard to be in the NFL Hall of Fame, which their uh mission statement is a little weird. I don't necessarily agree with it. They mission statement is usually can you write the story of the NFL without this guy? If you can, they're not an NFL Hall of Famer. If you can't, they are it's a little weird, but if they want to go by that statement, Adam and Terry, he's won a couple Super Bowls. So absolutely, he's the NFL Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_01:He he played in New England for 10 years, played in Indianapolis for 14 years. Let me see, this is I wish it gave me his, it don't give me his total. But total is oh field goals made in Indianapolis 320, 336. Okay, 599 out of 715. Uh 83.8 percentage. Field goal percentage. So I think he should have been he retired in 2019. What's this 2025? So he should have been eligible last year.
SPEAKER_00:So he's not the yeah, I just didn't think they wanted to make him a first ballot. That's probably what it was.
SPEAKER_01:But what does he not what does what does he not meet that say he shouldn't be a first ballot Hall of Famer? When you think of kickers, let's just be real. How many kickers can you name off the top of your head?
SPEAKER_00:The kicker for my favorite team, Adam Vidateri, Ray Guy, because he has an award name after him. Uh uh Janikowski. Sebastian Janikowski. That's about it, because he got a crazy name, but hey, Justin Tucker, but that's because he's recent. But outside of those guys, I can give you, I can give you a couple Blair Wall, but he was our kicker.
SPEAKER_03:So you might kicker for your favorite team.
SPEAKER_01:A kicker besides your team. Can you name a kicker?
SPEAKER_00:And then oh uh my young hoko. Yeah, we're talking about it in history though, but go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:I I can't no, I said can you just name a kicker? That was the point I was making. You can't get history, you can't name many kickers in general. So Adam Militari is he's known to every football fan. And he's like, he has legendary moments. I think he should have been the first battle hall of fame.
SPEAKER_03:But go ahead, what you say? Um, I just put up the stats. Bruh is the all-time leading scorer in the NFL.
SPEAKER_00:That should put you in automatically, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think that you automatically get in out of that. Um four Super Bowl champs, uh, Super Bowl ring. He made he was the scoring leader in 2004 off the field goal. All-time Patriots team, all-time court team. I mean, the Poop was in the three.
SPEAKER_01:He had he had two legends, he had legendary careers in two different places. Like OB had legend two uh legendary careers with two different numbers. He had it in two different places.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So I think he should have been the first out, first battle hall of fame. And we're gonna have a whole segment if he don't make the Hall of Fame this year. Yeah, we will.
SPEAKER_03:We will scored a hundred plus points in 21 seasons. 21 of his 24 seasons.
SPEAKER_01:Come on. What do we do with? Yeah, nah, I got Adam Vinaturney for sure. But yeah, that's the first name that came to for me.
SPEAKER_00:All right, so I I I grew up with another name. DQ, I'll let you go after me. Uh, this name is actually not on the list. I was just looking at players, but he is not technically eligible for the NFL Hall of Fame as he retired. Technically, he says he's not retired, but he hasn't played in NFL since 2021. And that's the all-time running back, Adrian Peterson, all day. The last man to win the NFL MVP as a non-quarterback. I don't know why you're even thinking. Ain't nothing to think about.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just gonna let Queg go. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03:I was about to say the proof is in the pudding. When that 2-8 strapped up, oh, you already know what time it is.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'll about say like now running right into the hall of fame. What are we talking about? Is he okay? So we all agree he's in the hall of fame.
SPEAKER_03:He hasn't, I think what it is is he hasn't retired officially. That's why he still thinks he got something left in him.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, he he he's only been out the game. I I didn't realize he's only been out the game for four years, so he won't be eligible until next season. He's retired. I don't, I know he says he's not retired. I know he probably needs some money. Go do some signings or something. I'm sorry, AP, but you need to do some signings. You ain't they're not gonna sign you because you're like you're you're 40. But my question for you guys, since we know he's in there, is he a first ballot Hall of Famer? Because that's the sacred stuff. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's uh it's just me. The last person to win MVP that wasn't a quarterback is him. It's it's go because they it's gonna be continuous. It's gonna be a quarterback getting MVP going forward.
SPEAKER_00:He did it coming off of ACL too, which is crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I also think it might be a I think on the field he's a first battle hall of fame. I think off the field, you know, the stuff came out with him and the whoopings and with his kids and all that, and some other stuff. I think they going to, if they won't give out a military, which we ain't heard nothing about first battle hall of fame, I think it's gonna be hard for AP to get in first ballot hall of fame. I think it should be. Like AP, right? We ain't gotta look up the numbers. We know where AP is. We knew what AP, we knew what AP was. With A, like who had said, when AP touched that field, you knew it was gonna be a long day for the defense. You could put 10 in the box because the bro was still going for seven yards. And he might bring one. So you knew what it was with AP, but I think the off the off the field stuff is going to make it hard for AP to be first ballot. I don't think it's I don't think they should make statements like that, but that's what they're gonna do.
SPEAKER_03:I think bruh, first ballot. It depends who else is on the card. I think that that plays into it too. But I mean they gonna make them wait one year, okay. But two years, we we just do it. What we doing? If you don't get in on the second year, all right, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Who you got, VQ? Who's your first guy you want us to do?
SPEAKER_03:My first guy is um not he's still active, but he's still active. But um he's still elegant.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think he's getting in. I'm a cowboy fan, I don't think he's getting in.
SPEAKER_03:You don't think he can get in?
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_03:No. Beyond. I'm I'm looking at the numbers right now. I mean, and this this is him never playing another game again. 9,000 rushing yards, 74 touchdowns. Uh 27, uh hundred receiving, 14 receiving touchdowns. Second most in Cowboys history, he can't get in with 74.
SPEAKER_00:He's gonna be a while. If he does get in, he's gonna be on that ballot for a good 10-15.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, hold on. You said how many touchdowns he got? He got 74. Derek Henry got 118. Let's put that in perspective. They came out of the same draft too. They did. Let's put that in perspective. Derek Henry was. Derrick Henry was playing on a bad team, though. No, not when he first was in Tennessee, he wasn't. Them last couple. Yeah, them last couple years, but nah, them first, them first, uh, them first about six seven years he was down there. Nah, we was a playoff team. We weren't making deep runs, but he we was we was a playoff team. Uh nah, bro. I don't I don't think Ezekiel Eller got a chance. At all.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think nine seasons. I mean, that's a lot in the NFL, but I just I just don't see it. I don't think he's gonna get in the uh cowboys rank of honor. I he he it depends. Uh it depends on his relationship with Jerry. I'm assuming he has a good relationship with Jerry. If he got a good relationship with. He came back. He came back. No, I thought you know.
SPEAKER_03:How old is Zeke is he's only 30? Yeah, he he wore they wore him. Oh yeah, the DeMarco Murray. Yeah, yeah, I forgot he was definitely DeMarco Murray.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:I mean Nah I don't think I don't think it's I don't think it's a I don't think it I don't think it's a chance for Ezekiel Elliott. Nah. Yeah, no, I think I think we can wrap it up with Ezekiel Elliott, but he ain't getting in. Like I said, I don't think he's getting in the cowboy ring on. Unless him and J unless him and Jerry real tight. Unless we got a secret on Jerry. Who you got next? Next Chad Ocho Senko.
SPEAKER_00:He has the numbers. His antics probably kept him out for as long as it has. I don't know if what they've done post-career helps them out. I feel like it should. I personally would love to see him go in there. It's been a long time. I don't even know. He hasn't even gotten that, he hasn't even gotten that far down the battle. I don't know if he may even made it to the semi-final list. He has another player that I will probably bring up next that he played with, who's at least made it to the semifinal list a couple times. But I don't know. I think he should be in there. He was a top five for some people's res some people's criteria was you a top five player of your time. And Chad Johnson was a top five player for at least five years. So I think he should get in there. I just I'm not confident that he will. And he his last game was in 2011.
SPEAKER_01:No. Ain't no way Chad been out of the league that long.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, so what happened with Chad Johnson? He played for the New England Patriots in 2011. If y'all remember, that's the second time they went to go play the New York Giants and they lost. He had so Chad did play in the Super Bowl, cat one catch in the Super Bowl. He signed with Miami, his hometown team, and in training camp, he had some legal issues, and he got cut on hard knock.
SPEAKER_03:I remember that.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, and never played again.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, it's been since damn, it's been 2011. Okay. I know it's been 2011. I don't know why I was thinking it was like 24, 2018, 2017. Damn, okay. He's 47 years old now, so yeah, you're right. 67 touchdowns, 11,000 receiving yards. Maybe it's because uh Chad Johnson was like he was that dude when I when I was going into football, when I was coming into football, he was that dude. Because I did just look at his numbers compared to another person I know we're gonna talk about, and that person has better numbers, but I also think that person played with better quarterbacks. And then Chad Johnson, if we think about it, when Chad Johnson played, he was a a top three, top five wide receiver majority of his career. Yep, and he was a number one option. So I think I think he should be in the hall of fame first. But like you said, off the field stuff probably is gonna prevent him from getting in. Hell oh well.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, but I'm saying like Braz's gonna be in a wheelchair walker before he getting indicted.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know if it'll be that. I think if he gets in, it'll be before he's 60. He's 47 now. But at some point they take you off the uh modern, yeah. I forgot what it's called, but he he'll get put in a different pool of people. So maybe that would that'll probably help him out.
SPEAKER_01:He gonna he's gonna get the second round. We we didn't get you on the first round. We remember what you did. Plus, like he does a lot of stuff with Matt now.
SPEAKER_00:He just does a lot of stuff with NFL in general. They be paying him to go all over the place.
SPEAKER_01:Because he was a pop, he's a popular guy, and he's very entertaining. So I think he he might he'll get in because not uh only for his career, but his uh contributions to the game. So I think I think he eventually will get in as for something. That's okay. But go ahead. Uh Dion, what you got?
SPEAKER_00:Uh DK, what you what's your thoughts before?
SPEAKER_03:Uh oh, yeah. No, no, that's definitely what do you always say? Three things guaranteed, deaths taxes, 85 gonna be open.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. He gotta get in. So we're gonna go from 85 to 89, uh, former college teammate of Chad Johnson, and we're gonna go to Steve Smith Sr. And I want to add, he is a semifinalist in this year's Hall of Fame, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. But this man has a triple crown in NFL, which if you know, you know. I think he's a just off the triple crown alone, he's a Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_01:So bring him to Chad. He was in the league five years longer than Chad Johnson. Has 20 15 or 20 more touchdowns and 3,000 more yards was he does. He was in the league five more years? He's in the league five five more years than Chad. 3,000 yards, 14 touchdowns. More that ain't for five more years. I know he'll help Chad, that'd be sad. But because Steve Smith's uh what we say, he's a uh semifinalist this year.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So Chad should have, if we do in there, Chad should have been here.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, no, no, no. A thousand, he did that over a thousand receptions, and Chad did what he did over seven hundred.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. So do I I but if I think Chad's in, I do I definitely think Steve Smith is in.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. All right, so I think Steve Smith did that. So he's in the semifinal list. Uh me and Q had a little talk about it. DQ, I'm gonna give you the list of receivers that have made it to the semifinalist. Now, we also talk about it's like it goes, it's like four to like six people get in as a whole list of people, but we're just gonna talk about the receivers as a whole. As one receiver that I know they might as well go ahead and get his two size ready because he's in there. We're not even gonna talk about him on this episode. But of the receivers in the semifinalists, Larry Fitzgerald, Terry Hope, first year of eligibility, Steve Smith Sr., first year of eligibility, Hans Ward, and Reggie Wayne. And now, like now that I'm thinking about Sisters. Yeah, he uh and he was a finalist, and Steve Smith senior was a so Steve Smith senior was a finalist last season, and he's a semifinalist this year. You said Reggie Wayne ain't in? He's on the semifinalist list. He was a Reggie Wayne was also a semifinalist uh finalist last season and didn't he didn't make the final cut.
SPEAKER_01:Reggie Wayne, 14,000 receiving yards, 82 touchdowns, a thousand, uh, a thousand seventy receptions, played from 2001 to 2014. So he had a shorter career, he had a longer career than Chad Johnson, but a shorter career than Steve Smith. Damn, all of them came in 2001. That was a draft, boy.
SPEAKER_00:You're the receiver, that's the one to go to.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, that's a draft. Uh, I think it was gonna my bed, go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, I'm just surprised that that br's not in. I mean, it just taught me off guard.
SPEAKER_01:Well, Reggie Wayne, I think what's gonna hurt him. What's hurting him is he played with he went from man in the luck. He was a two. Yeah, he was he was the number two round receiver, but then also who who he had throwing him the ball. Are we looking at that as Reggie? Reggie Wayne's production, or are we looking at that as uh Peyton Manning or Andrew Lux production? That's what they might. I think Reggie Wayne is a Hall of Famer, but I have they looking at it. Because at some point you gotta do be like, is this the Hall of Fame or is this the Hall of Very Good? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, because I'm looking at I mean Calvin Johnson, Mark, Carter, Bruce, T.O. Marvin Harrison. I mean of the three people I heard, you said Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald, T Smith, I ward, Tori Hall. Reggie Wayne, yes. Larry Fitzgerald, yes. I mean, that's just me though. I mean, what I'm hearing.
SPEAKER_01:I think Larry, I think Larry's did Larry's without question. He's first ballot. Larry getting in this shirt.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he might as well go ahead and get his suites ready.
SPEAKER_01:His bus is already together. Oh, I only think I think that's without question. I think Larry's bus is already together. Uh out of the people we discussing, like the chance to see if we if I was ranking them, all right. If I was ranking them, I think I would think I'm trying, I'm trying to think strictly football and not like personal. So if I'm ranking the wide receivers that we discussing, I would put I probably put we'll put Steve Smith one. I would put Chad Johnson two. I think I would put Reggie Wayne three. I agree. Tori Holt would be four. And then Hasbro, let's be real, Has War wouldn't get in. Because if Hans War was gonna get in, he would already been in.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Hans Warren, and it's no shade. He did he did the dirty work as a receiver, but that don't get you to the hall of fame. The hall of fame, I don't think.
SPEAKER_01:You could be the greatest black and wide receiver of all time, but that ain't a stat. No. So yeah, no, I don't think I don't think Hans Ward is getting in. And like Quack said, the thing that also I didn't think about Reggie Wayne was he was a number two. He was really he wasn't the one towards until the towards the end of his career.
SPEAKER_03:But I mean the numbers field, I mean, I don't know. I guess you can contribute to the quarterback field, but numbers people themselves up.
SPEAKER_01:Tory hole, what 13,000 yards, 74 touchdowns. He played, he played 10 years. Yeah. So we get straight. Torrey Holt is a hollow uh semi-finalist, but Jad Johnson can't he can't even sniff it. That's no disrespect to Tori Holt. Like no disrespect whatsoever, whatsoever. But Jazz Johnson can't even sniff it.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, Larry don't.
SPEAKER_01:True, true. No, Larry got he got one.
SPEAKER_00:He got an appearance. He ain't got no super bowls.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's right. He got they lost that game.
SPEAKER_00:I'm sure he had a big moment in that game, too. That slant up the middle. Yeah, I'm tripping. They lost that game.
SPEAKER_03:That's right, they did. He went to one. Yep. Yeah, the Panthers went to one. They went to one. Um Corey Holt actually got one.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but he also played with uh Warner. No, well, no, I'm thinking of Rev. The other Receiver on the other side. Isaac Bruce. Isaac Brook. Let me see. Yeah, no, uh that's that's my that's mine. Oh damn, Isaac Bruce's birthday, November 10th. Shut up, Isaac Bruce.
SPEAKER_00:Uh DQ, so who what you got next? Who you who you who you want us to talk about next?
SPEAKER_03:Um we can we can keep it receiver talk low-key. Um a name from my childhood, Texan great, Andre Johnson.
SPEAKER_01:He got it in he's in there.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, he's got in he got in last year. He's in no, it wasn't last year, it was two years.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, two years ago.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, he's in there though. Oh well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, he's in there. Uh let's go on good to it. Yeah, he's in there. Oh, I see it.
SPEAKER_00:Well, well, I got one. I'm gonna I'm gonna add it to what you said earlier. Question because I just I just compared their stats, and I didn't realize how similar their stats was. But there's one big difference from Ezekiel A'yale in this person, and I'm talking about Sean Alexander. Did not realize how close these guys' stats was. But there's really only one big difference, and that's the NFL MVP.
SPEAKER_01:I was about to say he got the same thing A. J. Peterson got. Yeah. And we look at him differently than we do with Ezekiel Elliott.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. They played, they basically played, they Zeke played nine, but that ninth season was Sean played eight. Um they both Sean has 123 games, Zeke has 135 games. Uh, they both average about 78 yards a game. No, they both uh yeah, about 78 yards a game. They both have over 2,000, 2,100 rush attempts. They both have over 9,000 rushing yards. Sean has 9,400, Zeke has 91. Uh, Sean has 100 touchdowns, Zeke has 74. And Zeke is killing him in the receiving, but it was a different time. Sean really wasn't catching the ball like that, like they do back then. But I did not realize they stopped for so disseminar.
SPEAKER_01:So there's only been it's only two Hall of Famers that's not in the Hall of Fame. I mean, it's only two MVPs that's not in the Hall of Fame. Uh Sean Alexander and Joe Thasman. So it is precedent for MVP not to be in the hall of fame.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And if, like you said, thank you.
SPEAKER_00:You know uh for eligible players, correct?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. For eligible players. So that being said, guess Hannah Alexander ain't an MVP. I mean, ain't a Hall of Famer. I guess not. If because I I just said, you know, Ezekiel wasn't making the Cowboys ring honor. So I can't, I can't, I I can't say Sean gonna be in the uh Hall of Fame if they uh their careers are similar.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So just one just one glaring difference. Well, basically two, but AP MVP, Sean has, and the AP offensive player of the year, Sean has now. I'm gonna say Sean ain't in. They both got two Pro Bowls, and they both was two-time all pros. So I didn't I didn't realize it was that similar. That's crazy. Yeah, nah, he ain't getting in.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he ain't gonna get in. All right, but I got one for y'all. We have to go ahead and have this conversation. Is Michael Vick a hologram? Is Michael Vick? We all love Michael Vick. Michael Vick that guy. Michael Vick was at her, he was at her running. He at her running, he was what everybody loved Lamar for, that's what Michael Vick was first. Any could any could throw that thing seven yards down the field.
SPEAKER_00:My question is, how much do you think the voters put in to help impact and culture that they had?
SPEAKER_01:If we're gonna be real, I think I think the impact and culture that Michael Vick helped, I think some people is gonna frown upon. That's gonna be that's the most respectful way for me to say that. I say I get I get what you put in there. I get what you put in there. It's the most respectful way for me to say that. Now, as have we seen Michael Vick's impact and what Michael Vick did to the culture, might not be shared with other people who are potentially voting for Hall of Fame. So I do I I think I don't think Michael Vick's gonna get in. I'm looking at the chat. I don't think he's gonna get in. Do I think he should get in?
SPEAKER_00:Is Warren Moon in the Hall of Fame? I think he is. I think he is. I just want to compare some stats. Golly.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think. I don't think uh because they're gonna. I mean, what can you point to? What is the thing you could point to? You can't say he got Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was comparing, yeah. I was comparing Warren comparing the stat to another NFL Hall of Famer that also did a little running, not as much probably as Mike Vick, but Warren Moon bowed about the water and everything except for the rushing. Then it's not even close.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Warren Moon got what 49,000 yards, 200, 291 touchdowns, 100 and Michael Vick only got 133 touchdowns in 22. You know what? I think I'm ready to change my thing. I think it's the impact, like I said, like I said, Michael Vick had the impact in culture for me. He's a Hall of Famer. But honestly, if we're looking at the numbers and take some biases aside, Michael Vick ain't a Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_00:No, he's a legend, a walk and living legend. Uh um, I mean, I don't know how much his off-the-field issues would play into it. I feel like it would. There's still people to this day that hate Michael Vick. They like despise that man like he didn't do his time, but oh yeah, I don't know if he's gonna get in there. I can't I can't say he will.
SPEAKER_01:Hell Donovan McNabb have a better case than Michael Vick do. We being honest. McNabb uh 234 touchdowns, 30, 37,000 yards.
SPEAKER_03:35 or 37?
SPEAKER_01:37 complete 59 completed completion percentage. He got a he got a better resume than Michael Vick. And we we are none of us gonna say Donald McNabb's Hall of Fame.
SPEAKER_03:No more Michael B at two years off, though. We gotta take that into account. That's another we not we can't, but we can't though.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna look at it.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you want us to. I mean, I mean, yeah, it's a good point.
SPEAKER_01:It is a good point, it is put into consideration, but not in the positive sense, whatsoever.
SPEAKER_03:We take it into the county. No, it is, it is, but I'm saying as far as the numbers go, oh that's two or two years off his off his off his thing.
SPEAKER_01:That'll be map like 13 years.
SPEAKER_00:He played 15, I think. Close to it.
SPEAKER_01:Uh 13. No, he played 13 years too.
SPEAKER_00:13, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like played, they count him him playing.
SPEAKER_00:He played 15. They take they take the two years. It was 15, but you take the two years out. So he played 13 NFL seasons.
SPEAKER_01:And I forgot he played for Pittsburgh. I I forgot my he. I bet he forgot. I remember him playing for Pittsburgh. Yeah, I remember what? I remember that. I forget. I remember Michael Vick playing for the Jets. I do not remember him playing for Pittsburgh. In 2015, I do not remember my. You know what? You don't remember that? No, I remember. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. I remember the job.
SPEAKER_05:You don't remember that?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. So now uh I guess no to Michael Vick, no to Donovan McNail. That's my question.
SPEAKER_00:DQ got one.
SPEAKER_03:I know what I said, but I ain't really enough.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Well, I I got I got I got one, and I'm I'm gonna just go ahead and say it right now. I don't think this guy gets in until he's uh will and gone, unfortunately, due to his off-the-field antics. But this guy's 100% an NFL Hall of Famer to me, and that's Antonio Brown. Oh hell no. Oh hell no. Even after he's gone? Oh hell no. You don't think they give to him after he goes?
SPEAKER_03:We'd all have to be gone. He's not getting in.
SPEAKER_01:Antonio Brown's not he's not getting in. Do his numbers say it?
SPEAKER_00:Probably. No, this number is they decent. They are decent. This is what's booming like he said it. I got his numbers right here. 928 receptions, 1200 yards, 83 TDs. In 12 years. In 12 years.
SPEAKER_03:You said one more time. Let me get that one more time.
SPEAKER_00:He has 928 receptions.
SPEAKER_03:928 receptions.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, 1,200, 291 receiving yards. So almost 13? Huh?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, almost 13. Well, yeah, it's closer to 12. But yeah, we're 12.
SPEAKER_00:And then he has 83 receiving TDs.
SPEAKER_03:All right. Uh Chad, Chad Otocinko. 766 reception. 11,000 yards. 67 seconds.
SPEAKER_00:And I think he played the same amount of years, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Chad played 11. Antonio played 12. The thing with we do got Antonio Brown was more of a slot receiver. Then Chad was more of the long threat, but he did it. He got what a thousand less yards in one less season.
SPEAKER_00:Almost 200 less catches.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no. If Chad ain't sniffing, Antonio Brown ain't getting in. And I don't think Antonio Brown, his numbers might say it, but he's not getting in.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think he's because he's because of what his antics are off the field.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's why he's not getting in. But I also don't know if I'm 100% sure I'm sold on his numbers getting him in. Because again, we're using this, we use it basically. We're using Chad Johnson for the rabbit, he was as the measuring stick. And his he's right there with he's right there with Chad. He has he has more touchdowns and he has a thousand more receiver yards, but he also played the extra season. Right. And Chad did it in almost 200 less receptions. And Chad Johnson don't know don't know where near has the off the field stuff the Antonio Brown got.
SPEAKER_05:No.
SPEAKER_01:They not even in and Chad Johnson like don't even put me in that conversation with what he's doing up there. So no, I don't think Antonio Brown getting in. But there is a round receiver. I did where the where this whole conversation started, there's a round receiver that we got talked about. And Greg won't brought him up. It's Odell. I brought this up. You did this whole thing started because you said you said I would remember correctly. You said Odell was a Holly Fight.
SPEAKER_03:I said that without looking at the numbers, though.
SPEAKER_01:You did.
SPEAKER_00:So have you looked at the numbers yet? I have not, but let's uh I got you. I got you. I got you right here. You uh you got Chad Johnson's numbers since we using him as the benchmark. Odell Beckham Jr. has 575 receptions, pretty much 8,000 receiving yards and 59 TDs.
SPEAKER_01:Now that you heard the numbers, then you think of Odell's Hollywood.
SPEAKER_00:And he did that in 10 seasons.
SPEAKER_03:He did 8,000 yards in 10 seasons. Yeah. Couple injuries in there. Yeah, a couple. Um didn't play in 22. He was he was playing, he was catching hospital balls from Eli Manning. You know what I'm saying? You trying to defend yourself now? Um I'm looking I'm just saying. You catching hospital balls from Eli Manning. You getting ignored by Baker Mayfield for a whole season. I mean, he played the entire Rams season and got hurt. Or no, he didn't play the whole season with them.
SPEAKER_01:Um see the Rams.
SPEAKER_00:Uh he played pretty like half the season, but he got in a Super Bowl. He got hurt in the early Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_01:He spent six games with Cleveland and then eight games with the Rams.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, that was the same season. So you walking that back now? Yeah, that's it. I'm sorry, Odell. Yeah, you know, I I thought just from memory, you know what I'm saying? The impact of it. What you did in college and all that. That counts too. Like that counts too.
SPEAKER_00:It doesn't count in the NFL, bro. It's pro-football hall of fame.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay. It's ain't the NBA.
SPEAKER_00:What it says basketball.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, it is Rental Grap.
SPEAKER_00:You know, well, since we own a legend in his own right. Since we own receivers, before I slide to a couple more that I want to talk about, I want to I specifically want to talk about this guy. I want to talk about this guy. He's an active player. And you look at his numbers, he's really only had one great season. And keep in mind, this season is probably the best receiver season of all time. Even better than what Jay Rice has ever done. Just that one season, nobody has done what he's done, and that's Cooper Cup.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, no. Because his longevity ain't there. He can't hurt. Trust me, I know because I've been picking him up in fantasy. He can't hurt. He may have to this year, but he ain't still he ain't putting up the uh production that he was in previous years.
SPEAKER_00:I do understand. He he does only have in nine seasons, he does only have two 1,000 yards receiving seasons. He does have a 974, but if you want to go be technical, it only has 2,000 yard received receiving seasons. But let's talk about that one season. The man caught 145 passes, 1947, almost breaking Calvin Johnson's record. He came close, 16 touchdowns. He won the triple crown. He won the offensive player of the year. He won the Super Bowl, and he won the Super Bowl MVP. Does that one season not help not just automatically get him in? No. Sean Alexander got an MVP and we can get him in. I mean it's not just the MVP, y'all. Like I said, triple crown.
SPEAKER_03:No. No. For me. Quite. Uh I'ma say no too because you gotta look at who was on that on that team. All right, who we playing with. Playing with your ODF. We playing with your Matthew Catholic. You got you know your tight end, whatever.
SPEAKER_04:Ty Gurley.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think Ty Gurley was on the eight years.
SPEAKER_00:Ty Gurley had. He played with him, but he wasn't on the Super Bowl team. Ty Gurley played five seasons.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was gonna say Tyre Tyler Gurley played five seasons. He I only think he got to his second contract. Well, I think he got the first year of second contract. He was done.
SPEAKER_03:Five seasons, too. Yeah, no, no, no. Uh Cooper Cup, nah. We're not putting Odell in.
SPEAKER_01:We definitely not putting Cup in. But Quag did say a name that I'm gonna touch on real quick. Matthew Stafford, which I will say, y'all. He's in there.
SPEAKER_00:In there. Especially if he gets an MVP this season, he's definitely in there. I mean, he he was in there regardless. Oh, I ain't gonna say regardless. Now you so you don't think after you won that super bowl, he wasn't in there. You don't think that Super Bowl submitted? That's why I felt like submitting it for me. Him get him going and get that Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_01:Eli got two of them, and we we ain't for sure about Eli. I ain't gonna say regardless. But he gets that, he's gonna have that MVP this year. Yeah, he's gonna be a Hall of Fame. Because now you got the MVP and you got the Super Bowl, and you're gonna have he get he has these crazy numbers, you know. Chad Johnson put up that record who was throwing him the ball, yeah. So I think he wins his MVP, it's done in itself. He's in the Hall of Fame. But before that, I'm not a hundred percent sure we would because hell, Philip Rivers came back. I ain't 100% sure Philip Ripples was gonna go be in the Hall of Fame. You weren't gonna get it this year. No, but I wouldn't even just in general. Oh, you think in general? I wouldn't for sure. Yeah, now I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_03:At this point, to the to this point. I'm saying to the Super Bowl, to the Super Bowl. I mean, I guess you gotta count the stuff. I was gonna say because that's similar, I think. The Super Bowl puts him past, and then the MVP pushes him, you know, into a different stratosphere. But I think Phillip Rivers is a better player.
SPEAKER_00:He did get his team to the ALC championship game.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we count the AFC Championship man. Um I think he is a better player.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think okay. So the man that that man is playing right now, we might as well slide to Phillip Rivers. He was a semifinalist for this year. His name has been since taken off. So maybe that'll help somebody else get in there. But we are we're wondering if he gets in. We feel like he has a decent chance. Definitely not a first ballot guy. What does what could he do this season to cement it? Will a river?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he gotta win two of them games and have at least five touchdowns in him. I think he's gotta be successful. If he shows that he's successful coming back at 40, 44, 45, one of them, 44. Yeah, 44. And he comes back and show he's successful, it builds on the mystique and the allure of Phillip Rivers. It's gonna build on his story. Man, I came back and did this at 44 and was putting up numbers. Not in shape. They caught I was down here coaching kids. Running the running the NF NFL offense at her coaching kids. Then I came back, not in game shape, at her playing with my grandkid, then I then I came in and started throwing touchdowns. If he throw, if he goes five touchdowns, five more, including the one he already got and win two of those games, then I think Phillip Rivers gets I think he gets into the Hall of Fame because then you add more to the story. Now, if he comes in and just get, you know, if he get hurt, you know, his next game, then I don't I don't think it helps the case.
SPEAKER_03:Um I pulled both of their numbers up because I got a third, I do have a purchase for y'all. I mean, I actually I don't have a purchase for y'all.
SPEAKER_04:He ain't a purchase.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, bro. You just said this. So you guys know Kirk Cousins. Go on ahead. We not even gonna respond to Kirk Cousins. We not even gonna respond to Kerry.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, I nah. His name came up next to that uh Matthew Stafford and Phillip Rivers. Um I I got the number for both. Both at currently at 63,000 yards. Phillip uh uh excuse me. Matthew Stafford's about to hit 64. Um, I don't think Phillip will hit 500 yards.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, he might be able to get that. He got three games left. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um 422 touchdowns for field, 417 for Matthew Stafford. 64 uh overall pass the rating, 95. And then Matthew Caffert is 92. Um the touch, the the the interception ratio is crazy. Um Philip Rivers, of course, has 20 more, but look at the the age at the top of the network.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I think looking at these numbers, he ain't getting in.
SPEAKER_01:We not even go.
SPEAKER_03:Who's not? Kirk Cousins is not getting in. No, no, no. I ain't oh that this is Matthew Stafford and and and Rivers.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. I know Kirk Cousins ain't getting in. I just wanted to hate a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:That's what we're saying. I didn't know if we was really taking that seriously or not, he's not getting in.
SPEAKER_00:I think uh let's go ahead and knock out a couple ones real quick. Uh this guy I don't think is getting in. I just compared the stats, but I wanted to mention him because he's Tennessee lore, had one great season and has a nickname CJ2K, but Chris Johnson. I was looking at his numbers, compared him to Zeke. I don't think he's getting in. Nah, he ain't getting in.
SPEAKER_01:We love him down Tennessee though. Yeah. We love him in Tennessee, but nah, he ain't getting in.
SPEAKER_00:Uh so I'm gonna go back to another current player, also um a quarterback. This is gonna be an interesting one. Russell Wilson.
SPEAKER_01:I'm thinking what Russell Wilson is. If you're gonna put most of the Legion of Boom in, I think you gotta put Russell Wilson in. One Super Bowl, two appearances. He got numbers to say.
SPEAKER_00:I got his career numbers as now he's still active. I mean, he ain't gonna play no more. So we're gonna say his career numbers. Good point, good point. Uh, if you if wins is a quarterback stack for you, it is not for me. 121 wins, 80 losses with one tie. He has a 64% completion percentage, he has 47,000 passing yards, um 353 TDs with 114 picks. And if you know, you if you like to add a little rushing in your quarterback stats, he has where I know it's somewhere 500 yards. Rushing yards, yeah. 507, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He has um damn, I would think he had more than it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, yeah, well, he got 31 plays with him. So it seemed like he was rushing more than he was.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, here, here you go, here you go. Uh okay. He has rushing yards. He got that many rushing yards? 5500. Damn, yeah, yeah, 5500.
SPEAKER_03:I thought he would have more. Maybe it's just me. But he don't doing a lot of running in the backfield. Yeah, he got uh okay. That's what that's what I'm getting. That's what it was. I think he got he got 31 rushing takedowns, but he was doing a lot of that running in the backfield.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, cool. Because I would thought he would have I ain't saying he's gonna go have 10,000. You know what I'm saying? But I thought it would be closer to the seven, but okay. He was running in the backfield. He was just he was just running around, then throwing the ball on somewhere for for uh eight yard completion. Okay, got it.
SPEAKER_00:All right, so with the so I I think he will. Yeah, he ain't first ballot enough like that. He definitely first ballot, five.
SPEAKER_03:It's the Super Bowl though that pushes him over, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So let's uh continue on with the whole Legion of Boom era guys, but we're gonna go with the running back of that team. Marshawn Lynch. I just wanted to get in just for the speech, honestly. No, he ain't getting in. Do I need to read his numbers off to you?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, read his numbers. It don't feel like he had that long of a Brian, but I guess we gotta think of running backs.
SPEAKER_00:149 games, 2,400 rushing attempts, 10,400 rushing yards, 85 rushing TDs, if you want to count due receptions, he has 200 208 87 receptions, 2,200 receiving yards, nine receiving TDs. He has a championship, five Pro Bowls, two all pros.
SPEAKER_04:He's been retired. He should be on the semifinal list, shouldn't he?
SPEAKER_01:I'm saying he's been retired that long, right?
SPEAKER_00:Uh let me make sure. Uh he he yeah, he should. I think he was made it on some list. His last game was 2019, so he definitely should be starting to get put on these semi-finals lists.
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't.
SPEAKER_00:I think I think actually, I think he was on the the list before the semifinals.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so he he made one job, but he ain't because he he didn't make it all the way. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know what's the off-the-field stuff.
SPEAKER_01:But I don't even think he had that much off the field stuff. I just don't even know.
SPEAKER_00:He was uh he was a a candidate for the modern era, he didn't make the cut for the semifinal list. He got cut.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So he we'll see. He uh we'll see how how far he makes it next year. But he's he's he's been on some lists. He's been there, he's been there. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I don't I don't know. I can't I I know that's kind of like a combat answer, but I'm gonna say I don't know with March.
SPEAKER_02:What do you mean?
SPEAKER_03:Oh man, let's compare his numbers to uh the R8.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think we should I don't think we should compare him to AP.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think that's but I'm saying that'll give us a better understanding. I mean Adrian definitely getting it.
SPEAKER_00:I got you, uh Marshawn Lynch.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, no, you you never oh what's a who's a running back that's in the league that uh uh who's one let's look at Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry gave 12,000 yards uh 2,000 two two 2600 uh rushes, 12,000 receiving your rushing yards, eight 118 touchdowns. What was uh Marshawn's touchdowns?
SPEAKER_00:85 85 touchdowns.
SPEAKER_01:What was his rushing yards? 10,000? 10,000. Is Derek Henry a Hall of Fame? Yeah, nah, hold on, Craig hesitated a little too long, and I ain't got that man got two 2,000-yard rushing seasons. Usually get a 2,000-yard rush season and don't wait. What do you mean? Nah, it's the way you was like yeah, like it was a hesitation.
SPEAKER_03:I was nah, I was trying to I was trying to sync up with Dion so we can say it at the same time. That's how it was.
SPEAKER_01:He played 10 years. What's Marshawn? 10 years, 11 years. 12 years, but he but he was missing one year. Yep. So because he retired once but then came back. He did the MJ. I don't know about Marshawn, man.
SPEAKER_00:So for the speech, like Dion said, yeah, but so speaking of Marshawn, this is a guy we talked about before we decided that we were gonna do this episode, and we were surprised he wasn't in there. I'm comparing his stats with him, and that's Eddie George. They're pretty close. And Eddie George ain't in. He ain't in. So at first I was surprised Eddie George wasn't in. Because just the lore of Eddie George, you hear uh part of it because of the Ohio State stuff, I'll say that doesn't matter. But I'm comparing him to Martron Lynch, and if Eddie George isn't in, I don't think uh Martrand is gonna get in. Because Eddie George, they're pretty similar, but in most things, Eddie George is slightly better in some categories, but it's it's pretty similar. Yeah, no, uh, he ain't getting.
SPEAKER_01:What you just said did it for me. He ain't getting in.
SPEAKER_00:All right, let's see. Anybody else? Oh, uh Richard Sermon, Earl Thomas.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes. I'm gonna say yes to Richard Sermon. Earl Thomas, they got some off-to-most-to-field stuff. You remember, right? Do I remember what Earl Thomas did? I just we ain't gotta talk about it, but you remember.
SPEAKER_02:I don't I we don't have to talk about it, but I remember we talked about it on the Mix Vive podcast, y'all can check that out.
SPEAKER_01:Or maybe it was Scorpio Vive, who knows? It was a while ago. It just wasn't a while ago. This was a while ago, so it might have been Scorpio Vive, but yeah, same thing, Mix Vibes. We talk, I don't think he getting in. Um let me phrase that. He probably will get in. He probably will get in.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But the off the field stuff, I don't know. Because I guess it's been so long, people might have forgot about it. I I ain't gonna hold you. I forgot about it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh I didn't, I just I don't know what it is, and um I want to look it up, but I feel like I'm trying to talk about it. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah. While you do that, I got one last guy. I know you wanted to talk about this guy, and honestly, I pulled his stats up, compared it to the guy that we've been comparing it to, we're gonna end it off with a receiver, as Anquan Bowden.
SPEAKER_01:I don't love Anquan Bowden, so I think it should be in it. But I can't I can't separate my bodies.
SPEAKER_00:All right, well, uh let me compare like I said, we've been comparing Chad Johnson's stats with and with um potential Hall of Famers. So just looking at the stats, Anquan Bowden played, it looks like Chad played 166 games, Anquan Bowden played 202, so he has a lot more games than him to put that in perspective. Uh Anquan Bowden has a thousand and seventy-six receiving yards. Chad Johnson says 766. This is probably why uh Chad probably should be in here. With almost 300 less receiving yards, uh Anquan Bowden only has like two, a little bit over 3,000 yards more than him. Anquan Bolton has 1,377 uh 1,379. Chad Johnson has 11,059. But I mean Anquan Bolton, his stats is pretty much better in every other aspect. But I think this is if you look how close his yards are to Anquan Bolton, and he plays so many more games and so many more receptions. Come on now. But we don't Enquan Bowden. But looking at the numbers, I think he should get in.
SPEAKER_01:I think Anquan Bowden is a How Fight. He's also as just as me as one of my guys. But I know if that was my biases, but since you read out the numbers, yeah, I'm definitely going with Anquan Bowden as a How Fight.
SPEAKER_00:Something that Chad Johnson has over Enquhar Bowden is the awards category. Uh Anquan Bowden has three Pro Bowls, Chad Johnson has six. Uh Anquan Bowden doesn't have any all pros, Chad Johnson has three. And Anquan Bowden does have a Super Bowl, too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no. So, from what I learned from this episode was why the hell Shad Johnson ain't in the Hall of James. Crazy. It's what I have took away from this episode. Oh, uh Frank Gore, real quick. Quick, what's your thoughts on Frank Gore? We had a debate about that. What's your thoughts on Frank Gore?
SPEAKER_03:I like Frank Gore.
SPEAKER_00:He's a semifinalist too, I believe.
SPEAKER_03:He is. Yeah, him and Fred Taylor. I'm not even gonna hold you. We cannot put Frank. We can't put Frank Gore in the hall of fame. Alright, bro. We can't, we can.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, bro. Hey, bro, you know you're entitled to your opinion. Dion, you think he's not, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's tough though, because let me pull them up. The reason why I say it's tough is because he's a he's a running back. And like some people poo-poo on guys for accumulating stats for being it's being doing it long. People talk about Malik Cunningham. He has like a lot of the U of L's quarterback stats, but he was there for like six, seven years. Six, seven. Shout out to the kids out there. Um, Frank Gore played a very long time. He's like top five in rushing yards. He played a very long time. And one of the end is like, damn, you just play a long time. That's why you accumulate all the yards, but he played a long time. Um at the running back position has gotta say something, so it's tough. His numbers is actually crazy. Like if you look at his career numbers, they're crazy. But again, he played a very long time. But again, I got Frank going off. He played a very long time at the running back.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think we can do that, but we can't we can't take it in the quality.
SPEAKER_01:What do you mean you don't think we can do it?
SPEAKER_03:I like that. Most games played by running back. 241.
SPEAKER_01:That gotta account for something. Do it not.
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm. Oh, taking that pounding week in and week out. I mean continuously? Yeah, nah, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Uh I mean 15 years straight. If the if the you know the numbers and years is not too much on you, his accolades, five Pro Bowls and one all pro. I don't think that helps his case that much, but yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Hell Russell Wilson had 10 pro 10 pro balls when we questioned if he was.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So yeah. He ain't never let the league in rushing. Like a great player, but he just played a long time.
SPEAKER_00:But again, he played a long time at the running.
SPEAKER_01:And I worked both time, don't worry about it. So yeah, but yeah, I just want to get Frank Gold again. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, I think uh, unless anyone else has anybody else they want to talk about, is there any modern players you guys is like, hey, maybe he should get a look at, maybe.
SPEAKER_01:I think if we're talking about current players that's playing right now, Patrick Mahomes, we know, is gonna go to the Hall of Fang. Yep. Travis Kelsey's gonna go to the Hall of Fame. Very balance. Derek Henry's gonna go to the Hall of Fang. I feel like Lamar, he has he's gonna have let's be real, Lamar's having a rough year, and we're gonna have that we we are gonna have that question if he comes back and have a bad year next year. But he got two MVPs.
SPEAKER_00:Well no, I'm unanimous.
SPEAKER_01:So it's gonna be hard that it's gonna be you're gonna be hard to tell a person they got two MVPs you ain't getting in. And I think the first uh first one's 24. Unanimous. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, I uh I got I got Lamar. I got Lamar going. D Hop. Ooh, I don't think D Hop's hoping.
SPEAKER_03:I think he is. He did less with more. He did more with less. Everything he did was with Boo Boo.
SPEAKER_01:True. True. It it was it was it was with it was with less. It was with Lord Lord's players. But I'll um I'll I I don't think the I don't think the hops are hollow fighting.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think a thousand receptions, thirteen hundred yards, thirteen thousand yards, eighty-five touchdowns. With boo-boo.
SPEAKER_01:At one point, Mr. I like to touch on people, or I like people touching on me. He wasn't he was a good quarterback, so it wasn't always boo-boo for the D H right, but he was getting hurt every other year, though. No, Deshaun had some years where he was consistent.
SPEAKER_00:Deshaun was that there was a reason why they gave that man a fully guaranteed contract. So D Hop wasn't playing with Boo-Boo the entire time.
SPEAKER_01:He played with Boo Boo a lot of his time, though. Most of it. Okay. But I'm saying he had a run with Deshaun.
SPEAKER_03:So after after what? Then he went to Arizona play with Calamary? Boo-Boo. You mean uh uh college? Then he went to Tennessee and played with Boo Boo.
SPEAKER_00:All right, let's go ahead and just put it to the test. DeAndre Hopkins, comparing him to our guy, Chad Johnson. D Hop has a thousand and six receptions currently, thirteen thousand two hundred and ninety-five receiving yards, eighty-five receiving touchdowns. He played 193 games. These numbers, not necessarily blowing Chad Johnson's out the wall, but uh he's got better numbers again, but played more seasons, played more games. Still crazy. He's only more will live. Still crazy. He's only about 2,000, only has about 2,000 more receiving yards, and he has 300 more, uh less than 300, about 200 and something more catches than Chad Johnson. If we're talking about accolades, the Alp has five all pros and five Pro Bowls.
SPEAKER_01:Look, if we I let me have we ever looked at I was ready to say D Halp, we looked at as we looked at him as the number one route receiver. Well, we never probably top three. We top three, Chad was top three. I don't know, man. If Chad ain't in, I don't know if D Hop will get in.
SPEAKER_00:That's good. I mean, if you want to go about that, but we all think Chad Johnson should be in. Sure. So I think it'd probably be like Chad Johnson, it'll be a wow. Okay. That's fair to say. Uh thinking about everybody else, I think George Kittle eventually gets in. Eventually, I don't think it's right away. Christian McCaffrey, if he stays healthy, he'll probably get in. Not right away. Him and Saquon is question marks to me.
SPEAKER_01:I ain't gonna lie. Yeah. Uh Christian and Saquon. Uh uh, Fred. Um, what's his what's his last name? Deep linebacker. I think he's a Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I think he is. I think he's a Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Capernick a Hall of Famer. Where are we, bro? I'm I'm seriously asking, bro. No, I'm seriously asking. All right, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Gotta do it for another episode of From My Perspective. We really appreciate you guys joining us. Uh, please like, please subscribe, leave a comment in the comment section of who you think should be in the Hall of Fame if we didn't mention them, or how you feel about some of the players we talked about, and if you disagree or would agree with our perspective. I really want to know if y'all agree with our Chad Johnson perspective. We think he's a Hall of Famer, but do y'all please let us know? I'm your boy Dion. DQ, thank you for coming again. Again, I can't call him a guest. He knows where everything is. He is a not a friend of a pod, but he's basically the third member when he wants to come on. But uh Q, go ahead and take us out of here.
SPEAKER_01:It's your boy, Mr. Bell. I can't say your name upon the spot. Might not put you to mind. We're gonna catch y'all on the next one. Wait up.